China's Planning to Build the World's Largest Particle Collider, 2X the Size of the LHC

Article dated Oct. 30, 2015

Construction won't begin for another 5 years, but China has just announced that they plan to build an even bigger particle collider. They claim this has been in the works since 2013.

There are also no other details about this project, other than the claim that it will be twice the size of LHC, and that this will be a subterranean facility - the final concept design isn't due to be finished until the end of 2016.

With its 27-km long tunnel, the LHC at CERN has been capable of producing around 1.2 million Higgs boson particles per year - enough to allow their scientists to discover the particle back in 2012, but not enough to study it in detail. But thanks to several upgrades planned before 2025, CERN officials claim that it could generate up to 15 million of the Higgs bosons per year. Still, China thinks that they can outdo this with their proposed device.

It will be open to the Global scientific community.

...the collider is expected to smash protons and electrons together at seven times the energy levels of the LHC, generating millions of Higgs bosons in the process. Best of all, the facility will reportedly be available to the entire global scientific community.

"This is a machine for the world and by the world: not a Chinese one," Wang Yifang, director of the Institute of High Energy Physics at the China Academy of Sciences, told the government-controlled publication, China Daily, this week.

Link: www.sciencealert.com...

a reply to: FamCore

Can China build any machinery that doesn't kill people? They can't even handle escalators for Fs sake.

Glad to see them using the cash injected into their economy for something useful. Hopefully it meets needed building requirements though, and its not just passed off to party owned corporations that cut dollars on construction.

2nd source: phys.org...

Some additional information from this source:

The final concept design for the project is on schedule to be completed by the end of next year, Wang Yifang, director of the Institute of High Energy Physics at the China Academy of Sciences, told the China Daily.

He suggested Qinhuangdao, a northern port city that is the starting point of the Great Wall, as an ideal location for the underground facility, noting its favourable geological conditions and local wineries as important selling points.

a reply to: HighDesertPatriot

The 2nd article I found mentions that Director Wang Yifang, thinks that "Qinhuangdao would be an ideal location for the underground facility, noting its favourable geological conditions and local wineries as important selling points"

Are they planning on drinking wine while conducting their particle-smashing research?

And we thought their sketchy escalators were dangerous...

The reason Cern has been rather successful is due in part to the amount of different countries and the various expertise. If China thinks they are going to do this all alone, I think they are in for some hard times, I get that the article says it will be open to the scientific community, but does the scientific community want to contribute to China ever growing use of stealing and copying everything that they do not make or find first. ok they can build an underground tube that would be what 42 miles in Diameter, if that is 2X the size of Cern. But adding all of knowledge in particle smashing and physics is totally another challenge. I get what they are up too, they want to be the top country in sciences, maths , and etc....

a reply to: Glassbender777

I think it is more of "bragging rights" for them to build and "host" the world's largest particle collider, while relying on the minds and expertise of other countries to execute and lead the research.

It's like Field of Dreams... "If you build it.. they will come"

lol I'm just spitballing here

Is there any profit in these things?

a reply to: PhoenixOD

Depends what technologies can be born out of them. The Atom bomb can definitely attribute some of its being to the work done by Einstein and other physicists from the 1940s to the turn of the century.

It's quite possible a new technology [hopefully not a bomb] will come out of experiments like these. For now its more about the prestige and face.

a reply to: FamCore
Seems like China is always "planning" to do something that may, or may not get done.

In this case, I say "Be afraid. Be very afraid!"

The amount of paranoia in this thread is astonishing.

aw man... this is gonna hurt my nuts real bad

a reply to: HighDesertPatriot

Can China build any machinery that doesn't kill people? They can't even handle escalators for Fs sake.

Yeah, isn't that a scary thought. What's scary about this, it's not just taking a chance on killing a few people, but wiping out the entire planet. I believe we're heading down a dangerous slope when it comes to messing around with an atomic collider. I don't think the U.S. is even 100% fail safe with it's ongoing collider experimentation.

hi i bought a brand new chinnese motorcycle which was a 125cc harley look a like for £1600 uk pounds,this bike looked and sounded amazing and come with 3 years m.o.t but before the m.o.t had run out the bike had fallen to pieces ,
one time the entire engine fell out while i was returning from the ace cafe(biker cafe in london) the bolts had rattled loose and the engine fell to the frame ,bits would fall off it frequently as i rode and i was fixing it almost everytime i rode this machine,having owned japanese bikes like honda and kawasaki the engineering of the two are worlds apart and jap bikes are at least safe,higher technolgy,and last far longer then 2 years from brand new
so now with this substandard engineering ability to consider smashing particles together is pure madness,i wish them luck they are going to need it,i would hope they employ a japanese company to build this facility as the steel and all their engineering is at least 25 years more professional , this is going to be quite an amusing spectacle as china implodes shame i love chinese food

a reply to: WeRpeons

I started getting nervous when these scientists are excitedly talking about creating "mini-black holes", wormholes, etc.

"Look what I can do"

Ummmm.. no.

China Syndrome V2.0 coming to the world near you.

a reply to: stuthealien

lol great post Stu, now I'm even more skeptical about their ability to actually construct a working particle smasher.

I hope they have good labor laws/workers' compensation over there - oh wait, it's China!

I sense sabotage in their future.

Well when they start building this thing in about five years , and the completion is like in about twenty-five years . We probably know the most important things what we need to know about particles I guess.

What difference would it make to build a much bigger collider ?

Well, the LHC is not a simple proposition.

Let's assume China is able to build; is China able to integrate and attract the scientific talent that the LHC does. These big "hard science" projects are made by the brains that are involved, and not by the political gestures. The collider is the simple bit.