Bernie Sanders' Religion is Collectivism

a reply to: NthOther

Oh bull#, considering the crap done in the name of religion, and bye people who claim to be strongly religious, you can take your "just because some claims they believe in religion" is morally superior bullcrap and shove it. No one claiming a religious or no religious believe has prevented them from committing any atrocity ever.

Belief or no belief it's the quality of the individual, period.

a reply to: NthOther

I don't want godless people in charge.

I want people capable of doing the job to be in charge. Their religion should have no effect on how they govern. This is a secular government with separation of church and state.

but least of all people who have no connection to something greater than themselves.

I'd rather have someone fighting for the will of the people, than the will of their god.

They simply cannot be trusted, in my opinion. Not with that much power and responsibility.

No way.

I would trust them before I would trust someone that claims to serve god, before the people they were elected to govern.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I think you might be reading to much into it. He implies that his "spirituality" compels him to help those who are in need which is what his policies show.

Then why can't he just answer the question?

Because he's a full-of-s# politician. A "cultural Jew" who uses his jewness to his advantage when it suits him, ignoring all the rest of it.

Again, cannot be trusted.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Thats what the op claims, care to try that again.

No, the OP claimed that Sanders is placing the federal government at the head of the pyramid... which is absolutely what he is doing. He's been pretty blunt is his opinion that he believes money should be filtered through the government and then distributed to the people from the government, AKA "socialism" or "collectivist."

Every POS politician to get the big chair has professed his faith in God before, during, and after their tenure(s).......and look how well thats gone by way of their respective policies both foreign and domestic. War Pigs.

Anyway, I would personally like to see Bernie get the chair, even if he likens God to daddy government because there is no way he could do worse than Bush or Obama have done in the last 15 years....foreign or domestic.

In fact, if he see's through is policies and beliefs, the US could make a grand recovery in both those arenas the likes of which have not seen before.

He wants to go after the bansker elite bloodlines - for that alone he has my attention.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

He's been pretty blunt is his opinion that he believes money should be filtered through the government and then distributed to the people from the government, AKA "socialism" or "collectivist.

There is a lot more context to that statement that you're not addressing. He has never said he wants all money to filter through government and be redistributed. What he has said is that the very wealthy among us that has manipulated the system for their benefit should be taxed in a very specific way so that those funds can be used to provide basic needs and programs.

a reply to: NthOther

He did answer it, you just don't like his answer. He implied his beliefs don't matter as long as he does what's right by the people, especially those who need help.

I thought he was jewish (which I thought would turn a lot of people off because of the way they hate on Israel) but I won't be voting for him because I don't agree with his policies.

a reply to: NthOther

God forbid you should answer a question directly.

Do you think that was an easy "Yes" or "No" question? Most Christians don't understand intellectual Jews, but he answered the question in a way that "Christian" doctrine should have no disagreement with.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: NthOther

Oh bull#, considering the crap done in the name of religion, and bye people who claim to be strongly religious, you can take your "just because some claims they believe in religion" is morally superior bullcrap and shove it. No one claiming a religious or no religious believe has prevented them from committing any atrocity ever.

Belief or no belief it's the quality of the individual, period.

I feel like what youre trying to say is , "Their religion doesnt matter, as long as the person knows that their religion isnt everyone elses" and they dont try to force that........which I agree

My problem with the OP is that Bernie dodged it........

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

He's been pretty blunt is his opinion that he believes money should be filtered through the government and then distributed to the people from the government, AKA "socialism" or "collectivist.

There is a lot more context to that statement that you're not addressing. He has never said he wants all money to filter through government and be redistributed. What he has said is that the very wealthy among us that has manipulated the system for their benefit should be taxed in a very specific way so that those funds can be used to provide basic needs and programs.

Again, redistributive socialism... I refuse to call a gilded turd anything other than a pile of crap. Sorry, but it is what it is.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I won't be voting for him because I don't agree with his policies.

That is understandable and respectable. To not like him because of his religion, or lack thereof, is silly.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

He did answer it, you just don't like his answer. He implied his beliefs don't matter as long as he does what's right by the people, especially those who need help.

He used the word "god", then was asked if he believed in God (because he himself used the word).

He did not answer the question. Nor did I like his "answer".

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

He's been pretty blunt is his opinion that he believes money should be filtered through the government and then distributed to the people from the government, AKA "socialism" or "collectivist.

There is a lot more context to that statement that you're not addressing. He has never said he wants all money to filter through government and be redistributed. What he has said is that the very wealthy among us that has manipulated the system for their benefit should be taxed in a very specific way so that those funds can be used to provide basic needs and programs.

Again, redistributive socialism... I refuse to call a gilded turd anything other than a pile of crap. Sorry, but it is what it is.

It is re-distributive socialism. It's kind of like the government taxing certain people to pay for roads, police, fire departments and other public works.

originally posted by: windword

Do you think that was an easy "Yes" or "No" question?

Yes, I do.

Most Christians don't understand intellectual Jews, but he answered the question in a way that "Christian" doctrine should have no disagreement with.

That's the problem. Where's his spine? He gave a focus group answer--the one scripted to offend the least amount of people possible.

Unwittingly offending people in the process, but ok.

McPresident. I'm lovin' it.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: DBCowboy

I won't be voting for him because I don't agree with his policies.

That is understandable and respectable. To not like him because of his religion, or lack thereof, is silly.

Then what of those who Demonize Cruz because hes Christian

Or those who criticize Carson for being 7th day Adventist?

I laugh at this because I watch those who are liberal Christians get a pass, while at the same time other Christians get lambasted

Im not accusing you of this im just pointing out a stark hypocrisy

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: windword

Do you think that was an easy "Yes" or "No" question?

Yes, I do.

Most Christians don't understand intellectual Jews, but he answered the question in a way that "Christian" doctrine should have no disagreement with.

That's the problem. Where's his spine? He gave a focus group answer--the one scripted to offend the least amount of people possible.

Unwittingly offending people in the process, but ok.

McPresident. I'm lovin' it.

It wasn't a scripted, focus group-approved answer. He has been talking about those things for years. It's part of his ideology.

You may call it spineless to take the focus elsewhere, but I call it being nice to Kimmel. He should have looked at him and said "why in the hell does it matter if I believe in god or not?" "Does god talk to Christian politicians and tell them what the best thing to do is?"

This is petty nonsense. You guys need to grow a pair and find something better to whine about.

a reply to: NthOther

What does it matter though? How does his belief or disbelief in God change his policies and platform in any way? He answered the question by calling himself spiritual and outlined his spirituality in political terms, because that's what his appearance was based around: his presidential run.

I'd say him being spiritual means there's a pretty good chance he believes in God.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Then what of those who Demonize Cruz because hes Christian

Ted Cruz is a nutbag that would push his religion on to others through his policies if given the chance. I have no problem with what he believes personally, but if he wants to drag that in to government, we have a problem.

Or those who criticize Carson for being 7th day Adventist?

Haven't heard anyone criticize him for that, but if they have it's just as wrong.

I laugh at this because I watch those who are liberal Christians get a pass, while at the same time other Christians get lambasted

Most Christians keep their religion to themselves. The GOP try to force it down your throat and invoke the name of god to give their policies and candidacies some legitimacy to those that think religion in politics matter.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Nope I'm saying the question is completely and utterly irrelevant and complete bull#, history is filled with examples that professed religious beliefs make no difference between whether a person is a corrupt asshole or going to do their job correctly and with benevolence rather than greed or avarice.

Everyone keeps talking about corruption in Washington, and politicians, a ridiculous percentage of which identify as Christian, so by what possible logic can one possibly use to both recognize all this corruption by supposed god fearing Christians, to then pretend like belief in God is some barrier to protect against corruption. In fact following this logic as most politicians and all presidents can be argued to have been God fearing Christians, then well, using that logic it would suggest the exact opposite and that belief in God damn near guarantees corruption.

Which is not what I'm even saying, what I'm saying is IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT ANYONE CLAIMS TO BELIEVE, but only what they do and the character of the individual.

His answer was fine, it was in short, "Whether I believe in God or not doesn't matter, it's what I do that does, and my individual believe that is my focus rather than my faith, my belief that, regardless of individual faith, what's important is we stand together, and care about more than personal greed and aspirations." Which to me is a great answer as it's a whole lot better than I believe in God or I don't, as this tells me about what he the person believes in and feels.

If someone says they believe in God it could mean anything from "Kill all the gays!!!!" to "Complete love and acceptance." I don't learn a damn thing from a yes and no answer to that question.