Federal Court Upholds Bulk Of Gun Control Laws Passed In Wake Of Newtown

I can see where this is heading. NZ style gun laws, which is OK for us as we are pacified, compliant and submissive sheeple mostly. sarc.. This is how it works here..If I remember..

Pay a fee $125 approx, memorize a booklet on safety, sit a test, get vetted by police, 3 x proof of ID, 2 character witnesses,
get a police visit at your home to see if u are fit and proper person and check if firearm security measures are in place (lockable non removable stout gun cabinets compulsory ).
Bolts and mags have to be separated from rifles.
Can not be used for defensive purposes. Max 5 shot mags except 22s. Semi auto AR styles are OK.
Hand guns.. special license, club members only and only used at ranges..

Gun murders quite low. Our murder rate is average. Mass murders on par with Aussie. Violent crime very high and getting worse. Pop 4mil. Firearms 1mil..

If someone wanted to get around this they can easily buy a high powered air rifle or PCP air rifle (hell a PCP can take down big game) and weve had a LEO killed here with an air rifle.

Maybe new laws would help the stats IDK

IMO Killers will always find a way to kill..

as already mentioned....Texas LEO's tend to not want to enforce gun restrictions. At least, the Sheriff's in my neck o the woods.

The biggest 2nd Amendment advocates I know are cops.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agree, but looking at the government statistics of illegal across the border gun trafficking the numbers will make you think a bit as why the government is going after legal law abiding citizens and not those behind the reason why guns gets in the hands of criminals.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) issued a comprehensive report in 2000 detailing firearms trafficking investigations involving more than 84,000 diverted firearms, finding that federally licensed firearms dealers were associated with the largest number of trafficked guns – over 40,000 – and concluded that the dealers’ “access to large numbers of firearms makes them a particular threat to public safety when they fail to comply with the law.”3

According to ATF, one percent of federally licensed firearms dealers are responsible for selling almost 60 percent of the guns that are found at crime scenes and traced to dealers.4

Nearly a quarter of ATF gun trafficking investigations involved stolen firearms and were associated with over 11,000 trafficked firearms – including 10% percent of the investigations which involved guns stolen from residences.5

ATF’s limited compliance inspections between 2008 and 2010 found that over 62,000 firearms were missing from licensees’ inventories with no record of sale.6 The Bureau also identified over 16,000 firearms that had disappeared from gun manufacturers’ inventories without explanation between 2009 and the middle of 2011.7

A 1997 U.S. Department of Justice survey found that 8.4% of state prison inmates who used or possessed a firearm during the offense for which they were incarcerated obtained the gun from the illegal market.8

What this tells you, that in America some people in higher places are getting money from everything illegal after all.

Or laws would be more strict when it comes to the real groups that actually can get their hands in enough arms to do the traficking.

smartgunlaws.org...

a reply to: DBCowboy

Killing is already illegal in America including charging for the intent of commit murder even if the murder has not happened yet.

But that doesn't stop people from killing each other by means others of using guns.

a reply to: marg6043

It appears to me that politicians are less concerned on IF someone commits murder as to HOW they commit murder.

The plan is that there will be more mass shootings until the overtly restrictive gun laws are in place to ensure a police state. The Sandy Hook shooting, as well as a few others are not accidental in the least bit. The kid who shot up that school was under hypnosis. It was fairly easy to find a loner like him with access to plenty of weapons, as his mother went into the same bar every night and spilled her guts about how many guns they had, as well as the kid's personal life. All it took was someone to make contact with the kid, and convince him to be hypnotized. It's the same process used by suicide bombers in the middle east. Another factor is marijuana, whether it's synthetic or real, its very easy to hypnotize someone who is under the influence. This offers the hypnotist easy access to the person's inner voice and places him on a path that they would not go otherwise. This is the real reason why pot has been outlawed historically, as otherwise it poses no danger. Now with it being legalized, the secret societies have decided to work it in their favor instead. The satanic phrase "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." is a mockery of someone under hypnosis. It's a form of mental rape, in which the target is referred to as a woman.

The real question is if there really is any life on this planet. A tree is thought to be alive, although it has zero control over it's own destiny. It is more like a series of chemical processes. Using the same logic, the sun could be thought as being alive. Now humans have the most ability to change their destiny and think, but very few do. If they just follow everyone else, they really aren't alive and perhaps may deserve whatever disaster awaits them. The planet is full of zombies on different levels, who mindlessly do the same thing every day, and follow everyone else. When the truth is presented, they don't recognize it, and only look around to see whoever else may support it.

Clockwork Orange is an interesting movie. It is intended to show life being as bright as the color orange, but having it reduced to a series of triggers, in which people don't think, only react. Over and over it shows people reacting without thinking, and blaming their own destiny on others. This is how hypnotists get away with it. Once the police are known to rely on "Occam's Razor", anything unusual may be employed, as the sheep will not believe it.

Just give it some more time. There is a new batch of "zombies" hypnotized, ready to slaughter the sheep. What do you think the gloves and apron are for?

Still has to go before the SC, and the SC has a history of siding with the Constitution on these issues.

Will it in this case? God alone knows, though I have a sneaking suspicion, and God I hope I'm wrong, that they will not in this case go with the Constitution. No evidence for my fears, but there it is.

a reply to: Vincent22

Mind control, weed and secret societies, oh my. Tie in Jade Helm and you have my interest.

a reply to: marg6043

This tells me that the gun control debate is FAR more nuanced than the media discussion lets it be.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I see it as a money pit for those that are behind the illegal gun trafficking, but while we think that usually drug dealers and mafia would be the ones and I am to lean that they are, you see by statistic who else are benefiting from this practices.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Still, you don't see these black gang-bangers involved in the pre-meditated mass shootings that actually lead to the OPs subject matter.

So what is a drive-by shooting then? Lets face it there is a huge disconnect with who does what with guns. The "assault rifle" lie that has been going around is one of my favorites. Making a rifle black carbon with a pistol grip does nothing to make the gun deadlier, unlike say putting nitrous tanks in a car to make it faster. Ignorance is making it so much easier to scare the people who want to think they are doing something positive but are actually doing nothing more than tilting at wind-mills. And just remember what happened last year in California..Link

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
I don't understand how assault rifles were ever allowed to be in public circulation.

It's too late now. Restrictions won't help anyone.

I also am pro gun, but I wouldn't be happy with anyone driving around with a mini gun mounted on the back on their pickup for example.

The thing you should understand is the AR15 was sold by Armalite as a hunting rifle BEFORE Colt bought the rights to it and sold M16s to the military. they also were sold by Armalite with only a 20 round Mag.
The military had the 30 round Mags made.
And back when i went to a lot of military auctions i saw the military sell pallets of used 30 round mags. The buyer payed more at the auction then the military had payed for them new.
In 1958 armalite started selling the AR15.
In 1963, the M16 entered United States Military service.
The AR 10 has never been a US military weapon but are still listed as a assault rifle by states that list the AR15.

a reply to: KawRider9

Hypnotism has been used for thousands of years during cult initiations, and only within the last few hundred years it has been discovered by the masses. The burning of incense makes it a little easy, but someone under the influence of pot or heroin, is a rather simple mark. There wasn't much heroin use in the US before we invaded Afghanistan, but now its everywhere. Afghanistan, as you know is the supplier for 90% of the world. Its not easy smuggling it into the US, unless of course, its on a military transport. The feds don't check those.

Whenever someone goes nutty and shoots up a bunch of people, they should be investigated as a possible hypnosis mark, like the suicide bombers in the middle east. Its obvious to me that James Earl Ray, Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman and John Hinckley were all in some sort of trance. If you want to kill people and get away with it clean, just get someone else to do it.

Roman Polanski as a child, had most of his family killed by the Nazis. After becoming a film director, he directed the popular horror movie, Rosemary's Baby in 1967(which was released in 1968). A year later, his wife and unborn child were killed by a cult that was under hypnosis by Charles Manson. Charles Manson also is also frequently pictured with a swastica on his forehead.


The cult members also killed another couple. The wife's name is Rosemary. (Rosemary LaBianca)


The movie takes place in a building in NYC, known as the Dakota. Thirteen years after the filming of the horror flick, tenant John Lennon gets assassinated out front of the same building.


Both John Lennon and his assassin, Mark David Chapman both coincidentally have Japanese wives.


John Lennon is also well known to use hypnosis. The song "Baby You Can Drive My Car", is a reference to voluntarily undergoing hypnosis by Yoko Ono. The "car" is a reference to Lennon's body. The "driver" is Yoko. "Yes, I'm going to be a star", is a affirmitive repetitious response to aid in the hypnosis. Mark Chapman, his assassin, also appears to be under some form of hypnosis.


The assassination takes place on December 8th. December 8th is also the same day that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in Japan, as they had to cross the international date line. The day December 8th, is also the 4th anniversary of when the Dakota was placed on the register of National Historic Landmarks. (December 8, 1976)


Yoko Ono also has as estranged daughter from another marriage, Kyoko Ono Cox. In 1971 her father abducted the then 8 year old Kyoko and followed her new stepmother in a cult called "The Walk". Cox left the group with Kyoko in 1977 becoming fundamentalist Christians. After leaving the cult, as a part of their new found Christian faith, they helped produce a film documentary exposing the cult. Continuing to live an underground existence Kyoko was given the new name Rosemary.

Chapman was under his wife's hypnosis to kill Lennon, by order of Yoko. The coincidences of the names and dates are not accidental, rather its used by cult members to communicate.