Western Christians stop with the persecution complex.

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: grandmakdw

So a good selfless person is contingent on doing everything for free. I take it you're all for everything in life being totally free so all people can go about their business in life helping others in need or for the simple good of it? Without having to worry about how they're going to eat a meal or pay their bills, right?

You footing the bill for this personally?

No one works 24/7
If you have time to play on ATS,
you have time to feed the homeless
to make homemade quilts out of old clothes for the cold and homeless
to visit the prison and make their lives a little better, even if it is just taking cookies
or any number of things that
will make the world a better place
or go to a monthly fill bags with produce gleaned from fields day
or glean part of a field to take food to the hungry
knit a warm cap or scarf for those who can't afford them
or any other contribution to society, just to make the world a better place

Paid work is to feed yourself.
It can be good for society, it can be good overall,
but it is done to feed yourself.
Not out of pure and simple altruism.

a reply to: grandmakdw

who say all Christians
condemn all non-Christians to hell
(really? I don't know of a single Christian who
has gleefully said to another "you are going to hell";

I find that very hard to believe since you've been a member since 2010. Your eyes must have glossed over it, or your brain "re-educated" the sentences.

I've been a member since 2004 and I have seen many instances of Christians straight up telling people they are in fact going to hell. For being atheist. For being gay. For other reasons. I have seen on numerous occasions them saying it towards not individuals, but entire groups. And yes, at times, quite gleefully.

Read more, or read more carefully. Examples are plentiful.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Yes and I put in around 20 hours a week not paid to take folk to social gatherings, I have to plan all my work from home and have been asked to help make a you tube channel for one of my guys (gonna be a Makaton learning club).
So please don't attempt to say I do it all for the money....
I don't do any of what I do for a reward in Heaven or a little treat from God.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Yeah I remember another person saying no one has ever threatened us all with hell and a mod came in and said yup because we delete them.

I still see the veiled threats often.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: grandmakdw

who say all Christians
condemn all non-Christians to hell
(really? I don't know of a single Christian who
has gleefully said to another "you are going to hell";

I find that very hard to believe since you've been a member since 2010. Your eyes must have glossed over it, or your brain "re-educated" the sentences.

I've been a member since 2004 and I have seen many instances of Christians straight up telling people they are in fact going to hell. For being atheist. For being gay. For other reasons. I have seen on numerous occasions them saying it towards not individuals, but entire groups. And yes, at times, quite gleefully.

Read more, or read more carefully. Examples are plentiful.

And vice versa.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

But it seems like many of you believe in
and eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth

What you do to me that is wrong,
I must do back to you to teach you a lesson
that I am right and you are wrong.

I don't read the "religious" threads at all.
I did say that there are not weirdos who
claim to be Christians saying awful things.
People who say religion is evil, or believe it
say awful things about Christians all the time.

Doesn't make either of them right.

It is funny that if a Christian says something rotten
you are quick and right to condemn

When you say something rotten about Christians
you are quick to say that you are righteous in
saying as rotten of things as you wish.

Rather than see the intolerance in yourself.
Or look in the mirror and see you are being as
bad as those you condemn
You will defend your right to say ugly and
hateful generalizations about Christians and
call yourself loving and tolerant.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Not what they do to get things for themselves.

Ugh. If you get paid then your actions are uncaring and wholly selfish? That's ridiculous.

Earning a wage, and contributing positively to society, are not mutually exclusive. Leave your celestial kingdom every once in a while and come back to the real world.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: grandmakdw

Not what they do to get things for themselves.

Ugh. If you get paid then your actions are uncaring and wholly selfish? That's ridiculous.

Earning a wage, and contributing positively to society, are not mutually exclusive. Leave your celestial kingdom every once in a while and come back to the real world.

Ah, I can see that you and I could go round and round.

Just a the Boy Monkey and I do.

Go on hating Christians
Go on hating religion
How does that make the world a better place?
How does hate convince people to believe that
you have the answer to make the world a better place
or that being hateful toward others makes you a better person?

When Christians act like that they are wrong and
only create people like I see on this thread.
People who think that they must exact revenge
and spew ugly hate to get people to see how
tolerant and righteous they are, and how evil
the religious people are.
Both are wrong.
Hate, begets hate, begets hate, hateful
rhetoric, name calling etc only makes your
point of view look as ugly and evil to others
as you think Christians are.

Good night.

Seriously tired of this crap. Ah, society has moved on from a religious aspect to a more secular one and it's "persecution". When Christ said, "Follow me..." he didn't mean up on the cross. The Martyr Syndrome doesn't move me. It's petulant.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I don't read the "religious" threads at all.

If you don't frequent the kinds of threads I do then you probably are not at all familiar with my views. So everything you just accused me of is completely unwarranted.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: grandmakdw

I don't read the "religious" threads at all.

If you don't frequent the kinds of threads I do then you probably are not at all familiar with my views. So everything you just accused me of is completely unwarranted.

I apologize if that is not true of you.

It is however true of most of the people who have
been engaging me in this thread, and I was addressing
all of them in general as well as, falsely it appears to you.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Go on hating Christians

.
I don't hate Christians. In fact, I love many. My best friend is Mormon, and like many atheists/antitheists, we have religious people in our families that we love dearly.

You're the one having a terrible time separating beliefs from the person. Not us. Hate the sin, not the sinner, right? Hate the belief, not the believer. It's not hard to do.

a reply to: grandmakdw

You just keep proving my OP.
Telling us all how much we hate Christians.
Keep it up lol.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Seen a massive rise of mostly American Christians bleating that they are being persecuted recently on ATS.
Just stop yes some Christians are being persecuted in other parts of the world and they are the ones who need our thoughts and help not Christians in the west safe behind their keyboards crying that they have been persecuted.

But what about the recent school killer I know some will say, well that is one nutjob It isn't happening in the USA or the UK all the time just once.
I also find it very hypocritical that the ones bleating persecution are the ones who have been very vocal on persecuting others and If you look back the vast majority of persecution has come from certain religions.

So stop have you never heard of the boy who cried wolf?.

What you are really moaning about is people criticizing your religion which is not persecution at all.
I have done a little reading and have found no persecution but a lot of lies.

Claiming you are a victim helps your cause doesn't it? it puts people on the defensive straight away when you bleat persecution, it is a powerful tool and If you actually fall for your own BS and believe it again it is a powerful tool to make your point and not get attacked on that point.

It reminds me of a bully who has had the run of the yard for ages until a bigger bully comes along and then the original bully crys persecution.

So please stop you are just harming your cause and spitting on the poor souls in the world who actually are being persecuted.
Remember criticism of your club is not persecution.
Rant over

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I have seen the rise of atheists who complain of persecution rise on ats of late as well.

The bullied becomes the bully and we have to hear about it, I detest religious fundamentalists as much as atheist fundamentalists

Hey monkeyboy Remember criticism of your club is not persecution.

Go figure

a reply to: Raggedyman

Not an atheist so....

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: grandmakdw

Go on hating Christians

.
I don't hate Christians. In fact, I love many. My best friend is Mormon, and like many atheists/antitheists, we have religious people in our families that we love dearly.

You're the one having a terrible time separating beliefs from the person. Not us. Hate the sin, not the sinner, right? Hate the belief, not the believer. It's not hard to do.

I don't hate you or even the monkey
I do hate the things that monkey says
about Christians being evil
and about wanting to wipe religion
off the face of the planet.

I am simply pointing out that
the very behavior monkey and the like
are complaining about
is the exact behavior they are
engaging in toward others.

But they are blind to their behavior.

I have repeatedly said,
atheist, I don't care, live and let live
anti-theist, as many here clearly are, I don't care live and let live
as long as you don't trample on me and bully me and try
to say that my ideas and the faith I hold dear is evil
and by extension that implies I am evil.

You won't live and let live,
I won't lie down and let you
metaphorically spit on me and tell me I need
to be educated into the correct
way of thinking (yours that is different from mine
so mine is wrong and you are right)

That is not hate, it is simply doing
what others do,
standing up for myself and my right to not be
bullied and called evil for it - you call my faith evil,
you are calling my thoughts and feelings evil as
it is an integral part of who I am.

I can't help it if the others can't
handle a Christian standing up for themselves
against people who see my inner core as evil
because my faith is my inner core.

They decide to live and let live,
I won't fight back.
Until then, call me ugly names,
put out ugly memes
and I'll put a mirror up to your
ugly behavior.
And hope that one day you will see
how you are doing exactly what you
accuse Christians of doing.
Being intolerant and deepening the chasm
and making matters far worse for everyone,
rather than making things better.

I am standing up to school yard bully behavior
and the bullies never like that.
I won't run and tell the teacher, I'll stand up
to the bully and show them that they are not
better than everyone else or know what is
best for the entire world, that is arrogance
and ignorance.

As the worlds worst Christian,
turning the other cheek and letting
people kick me
is not how I handle bullies.

I don't care if you don't believe
just leave me alone to believe.

P.S. the "you" is not you personally necessarily, it is a corporate you for those who have repeatedly said all Christians are homophobes, women haters, mean, want everyone to go to hell, abortion clinic bombers; or said Christianity is evil and needs to be eliminated from the world. That corporate you.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Show me where I have said that.

a reply to: boymonkey74

How about that post and the vid about "religion is evil".
You said that the vid says much better what you think than you could personally express.

You said in this thread that religion needs to be abolished from the world
and the world would be better without it.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Religion is evil.
Care to show me where I said christians were?
Thats what im asking.
Also did I ask for it to be abolished and the world would be better off?.
Care to show me?.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Another way they can attempt to show they are being percicuted here.
By lying and making stuff up.
Grand you are a liar.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I never said any of that... i never said you were not Allowed to do anything, or Speak out about anything either, i don't know how long you have felt persecuted as a Christian but throughout History Christians have been the ones to oppress and Kill in the Name of than let's say GLBTQ+ people

and before you get to it i am NOT saying Two wrongs make a right, or this is Revenge for what Christians have done