NLBS 3.02 - "Organic Food" Is Mostly, No, Completely BS

This week we take a look at all the BS surrounding “organic” foods, and how it’s really not such a big deal. Mostly, buying and consuming organic produce has an emotional benefit for consumers, and not much more. There is very little quantifiable nutritional merit with supposedly organic produce. It’s all in your head, and we show you why.




Production notes:

Consumer Reports

Organic is not as healthy as you'd expect

Are Organic Foods Safer or Healthier Than Conventional Alternatives?: A Systematic Review

British Journal of Nutrition

Organic Pesticides Not Always 'Greener' Choice, Study Finds

Mind over milkshakes: mindsets, not just nutrients, determine ghrelin response

How the Placebo Effect Changes Perception of Organic and Nonorganic Food

So flooding a natural plant with pesticides, toxins and viruses is just as good as something grown natural?

Yea I see the BS, and it's a damn shame where it's coming from! Right from the "Bulls" mouth!

Hey dude I don't know if you've ever been a high performance athlete but I can tell you first hand higher quality food is better 100%.

You can use whatever logic you want but 100% notice a difference in my performance when I eat the better food.

Also I think you should put some effort into researching the effects of the flora in your stomac on immune system and brain activity for a better perspective.

a reply to: theNLBS

And that's some NLBS right there, surprised much?

I hear Monsanto are giving out free hair cuts.

Pop over to our farm, Try our cucumbers and tomatoes from the vege patch

Five minutes of nothing...

forget the camera angles, and get back to the real BS....

a reply to: proob4

We didn't have a chance to get an interview, but I spent a little time speaking with a local farmer here in NYC at the Green Market in Union Square -- a huge assembly of some of the finest fresh, locally sourced produce in the northeast.

One large booth, from whom we bought some outstanding onions and peppers, had a sign that said, "Not Really Organic, Ask Me Why," so I asked him.

His family has been farming in upstate NY for three generations, and if they were to go "organic," their yield would be below sustainable levels, and the root vegetables would have a fungus. He's what he calls "Responsibly Not Organic" and employs a combination of fungicides, pesticides, and fertilizers that finish the job that natural methods can't get done. All his produce is exceptional (we have some eggplant we're going to cook next), and the taste is well beyond the organic options.

The point is not to stop using fungicides, pesticides, and fertilizers, he said, it's to use them responsibly... which the large corporate farms do not.

This is so full of fail it reminds me of the Cleveland Browns.

You readily state the facts and then act as if they arent important. As if consuming bacteria and pesticides is a good thing.

You have really gone downhill with this episode

I'll eat locally grown produce sooner than the stuff labeled organic...most of the time the organic looks like it's about one day from the compost heap.
Fresher is better.

But...I will go out of my way to buy better quality meats, shying away from farm-raised fish and feed lot beef.
And 85% of the dairy products we buy are labeled rsbt free.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Aquaponics?

One word question I know but I'm pretty sure you know what I'm saying.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: proob4

We didn't have a chance to get an interview, but I spent a little time speaking with a local farmer here in NYC at the Green Market in Union Square -- a huge assembly of some of the finest fresh, locally sourced produce in the northeast.

One large booth, from whom we bought some outstanding onions and peppers, had a sign that said, "Not Really Organic, Ask Me Why," so I asked him.

His family has been farming in upstate NY for three generations, and if they were to go "organic," their yield would be below sustainable levels, and the root vegetables would have a fungus. He's what he calls "Responsibly Not Organic" and employs a combination of fungicides, pesticides, and fertilizers that finish the job that natural methods can't get done. All his produce is exceptional (we have some eggplant we're going to cook next), and the taste is well beyond the organic options.

The point is not to stop using fungicides, pesticides, and fertilizers, he said, it's to use them responsibly... which the large corporate farms do not.

I call "organic" what you grow for yourself, right. Tell me it's not better than anything you can get at a store or market? In respect to you, seriously?

originally posted by: proob4
I call "organic" what you grow for yourself, right. Tell me it's not better than anything you can get at a store or market? In respect to you, seriously?

There's a great many people that don't have the means for a meaningful vegetable garden -- yours truly included.

After spending time with real, honest, hard-working farmers (I talked to a couple more), it's not about going full-organic, it's about responsible farming, which sometimes includes pesticides, fungicides, and fertilizers -- but not overuse of those items.

On another note, shouldn't we as a people have the right to real food and be able to identify it and have it labeled as real food? To me that's the issue here. And tbh that would have been a better episode of NLB. Why cause that's a real issue.

I think some people are having a bit of an emotional response.

I didn't hear him say we need to eat things that are loaded with pesticides and chemicals, more that the 'organic' label isn't anything special and just used to jack up the price.

Good episode guys.
Killer locks as usual Joe.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Skeptic,

You guys glossed over a lot of information and ideAs around why certain kinds of foods are better.

You may not be aware of this but there's a very large community that believes that the way we grow the food effects the energy we consume from the plants.

It may be hard to understand but unless you've worked closely with plants for a long time it's hard to understand why finely tuning the process and energy you put into it matters.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: proob4
I call "organic" what you grow for yourself, right. Tell me it's not better than anything you can get at a store or market? In respect to you, seriously?

There's a great many people that don't have the means for a meaningful vegetable garden -- yours truly included.

After spending time with real, honest, hard-working farmers (I talked to a couple more), it's not about going full-organic, it's about responsible farming, which sometimes includes pesticides, fungicides, and fertilizers -- but not overuse of those items.

I live in Michigan and have grown gardens many times, the only thing I ever had problems with is my tomatoes and that was tomato worms. That was easily solved by just rounding them up and putting them all in a 5 gallon bucket and a lid and drowning them, straining the water off and then using them as fertilizer. See all organic.

What happens is later in the season and in the next crop the use of the natural pesticide mentioned above not only works but the following year you will not see the previous years pest's. This works well for most bugs and parasites as well. Don't know how the mojo works, but it does.

a reply to: theNLBS

I grew lettuce, fancy coloured carrots, pears and 5 different types of tomatoes this year. They taste better, the look better and they last longer than that gmo crap. Hell, I even have 4 black walnut trees and give away a load of nuts every year. NO PESTICIDES OR PRESERVATIVES!

I'm not even going to bother watching the video, it's time I would never get back but I have to wonder what allegedly independent lab came up with these results?

So, just a quick question.... What's Monsatan paying these days?

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: onequestion
Hey dude I don't know if you've ever been a high performance athlete but I can tell you first hand higher quality food is better 100%.

You can use whatever logic you want but 100% notice a difference in my performance when I eat the better food.

Also I think you should put some effort into researching the effects of the flora in your stomac on immune system and brain activity for a better perspective.

Yes fresh is best! What you rather have? A baloney sandwich or fresh bacon grown right in the NLBS garden?

I see these naysayers all day everyday... I have friends who Own organic farming. It'd their heart-earned labour to provide natural foods that Monsanto won't provide you or all those still dying of hunger in 3rd world countries.

The insecurity is real in you naysayers. You want to live in lala-land as if all is well and there is nothing biological or mental wrong or unbalanced with you.

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

I know it's long forgotten here on ATS and obviously with their own next level bull# ...

But I deny ignorance and bullsh*

I sleep magically, connected to my dream world and self, interacting with friends, families or Familia kin, very happy knowing my biology and chemistry is aligned with how nature or creator intended.

Cheers to insecure people who feel the need to knock anything they don't practice or agree with, the world turns still

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Great, NY state.. speak for America then.

Or travel the globe and eat organically like I have and see the difference of the grocery food from NA, compared to countries who still practice natural growing of food.

There is a difference in taste texture, geometry (size, shape) and colour.

But you talked to some farmer in NY state hahah.. must be everywhere right?

Skeptic much?