New World Order & The Muslim Brotherhood

The Great Delusion and deception of Islam is Sweeping and changing the political landscape in America. Is this the spirit of "The Anti-Christ “, 1 John 2:22 ~ "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
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The Muslim Brotherhood emerged out of Egypt in 1928 to evolve into "the largest and most influential Sunni revivalist organization in the 20th century." It was founded by Hasan al-Banna, the first son of a respected sheik who was also an author and the leader of a local mosque. Hasan was born in 1906 and was brought up immersed in Islam under his father's tutelage. He memorized the Koran and at age twelve he founded an organization called the Society For Moral Behavior. Shortly after he created another group, the Society for Impeding the Forbidden.



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What if i told you it already happened. Ill give you a quote from the bible.

John 9:25 He then answered, "Whether He is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see."

You either accept it or you fight it, talking wont matter.

a reply to: Hyperia

John 9:25 He then answered, "Whether He is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see."

Is the sinner in this case the Muslim Brotherhood? Or am I confused?

a reply to: FearYourMind

Is the "Islamic Extremism" a result of a different interpretation of the Qu'ran? Or does the Qu'ran actually dictate that jihad, violence and deception are required in order to be a true "follower"?

Because from what I understand (the video touched on this), most muslims are NOT extremists like this and would disagree with the violent and "domination" element to Islam.

The scary thing is this is a religion, people follow it blindly and are willing to die for it - meanwhile others can take those ideologies and use them for POLITICAL goals (whether or not they truly are religious or not)

Thoughts?

a reply to: FamCore

There are plenty of Jihad references in the Quran. These are just a few. Jihad References in the Quran

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

a reply to: FearYourMind

The references are in reguard to defense only. The Hadith says aggression is acceptable but that would contradict most of the Quran.

Mohammed taught peace unless you were being attacked. But it was no sin to completely destroy an enemy who attacked you first. However, if your enemy cries peace, remember that Allah is forgiving, therefore act like Allah and forgive.

The Hadith teaches many lies against Mohammed the Quran and Allah.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Will be following..

a reply to: Isurrender73

Isn't the Hadith like the OT of the Koran?

No surprise it is from ReligionOfPeace.com either.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Isurrender73

Isn't the Hadith like the OT of the Koran?

No surprise it is from ReligionOfPeace.com either.

The Hadith is more like the Talmud. The Hadith and Talmud are books that teach extreme religious intolerance. They make it man's responsibility to place everyone under their rule.

But the Quran, like the OT and NT say that a messenger, possibly the 2nd coming of Christ, will prove to the world that the faith is true.

The books say peace and self defense. Even the OT declares Isreal was to live in peace with non Israelites after the time of the original conquest of Isreal.

Extremist have a God complex where they take it upon themselves to impose God's laws upon the people.

The scriptures themselves don't teach any form of forced conversion. To become an Israelite you had to agree to circumcision. Which is fine for an infant, but a grown man must be extremely devoted to concent. The NT says walk away from disbelivers and the Quran says religion can't be brought on through compulsion.

If the religious would actually follow their prophets there would be no offensive force that proclaimed themselves in the name of God.

Extremist are hungry for power, they care little about the actual laws of God. They make war for power and they lie to the uneducated to convince them to sacrifice themselves for a false message.

I imagine some of them were raised with these extreme views and actually believe they are working on behalf of God. There can be no greater lie than the lie that says God wants you to make war with each other. These people have been brainwashed and they are ignorant to the truth.

I feel sorry for them, maybe some of them can be healed. Then we might be able to understand how this happens to the mind, and what we can do to prevent this.

I've only read the Quran. I use to work at the Saudi Embassy and they would constantly read it and push the whole religion on me while I'm working.

a reply to: FearYourMind

I don't disagree with the video.

But these people do not represent Mohammed. They are trying to force Sharia Law. The Quran says that no one is to be forced to follow Islam. The Sharia Law contains misogynistic viewpoints and several views that directly contradict the Quran.

Most of Sharia Law is ritualistic or basic law like the 10 commandments. The Hadith is where most of the poor points of Sharia Law comes from.

There are parts of Sharia Law that stands against women's equality and freedom of religion, which are contradictions found in the Hadith.

The Quran makes women equal in marriage, it doesn't permit non consensual marriages forced by the father. It doesn't allow prepubescent girls to be married off for money by the father. But it does allow Muslims to leave the faith, but warns the faithful Muslims to terminate friendship with those who no longer believe in God.

Add - One interesting aspect of Islam is religious acceptance taught in the Quran. According to the Quran a Muslim could follow the teaching of anyone who is a prophet so long as there is no contradiction to the Quran. So A Muslim Buddhist is possible according to the Quran. A Muslim is allowed to believe all the words in the OT and NT but know that any interpretation that is opposed to the Quran must be misunderstood or wrong.

The Quran teaches there were many prophets. So a Muslim is free to read all spiritual texts.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Reminds me of the Christians who live by the Old Testament. Groups like Westboro Baptist. They don't represent the real Christians.

a reply to: FearYourMind
"jihad references"

1. When you copy paste a website you should use the ex tags,
2. The site you reference is also using these out of context

originally posted by: FearYourMind
I've only read the Quran. I use to work at the Saudi Embassy and they would constantly read it and push the whole religion on me while I'm working.

If you read the Qur'an why would you knowingly post some versus out of context?

originally posted by: FearYourMind
a reply to: Isurrender73

Reminds me of the Christians who live by the Old Testament. Groups like Westboro Baptist. They don't represent the real Christians.

Yes, that is a good comparison.

a reply to: HammyCat

I posted verses that the Brotherhood live by.

a reply to: FearYourMind

How do you know they live by those specific verses?

The website you posted from is a known anti-islamic site, not really the best place to gather info from.

a reply to: Sremmos80

It's evident by their own words and ideology. You can clearly hear them speaking of these things in the video at their mosque. There's no question about it.

Maybe the Elite Muslims don't believe in an Electronic currency, and want something more real....

a reply to: Specimen

this didnt make any sense

originally posted by: FearYourMind
a reply to: HammyCat

I posted verses that the Brotherhood live by.

Does not say that in the post.

originally posted by: FearYourMind

There are plenty of Jihad references in the Quran. These are just a few. Jihad References in the Quran

I took it at face value
here is "Jihad references in the Qur'an "

again still out of context and if you read the Qur'an like you said you willing copy/pasted out of context
and the link says

Does the Quran really contain dozens of verses promoting violence?

If taken out of Context like that site does.
Does not the Torah, The Old Testament, The New Testament, The Kabbalah?

" All Abrahamic Religions have violence in them. "

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On to the op.
Not everyone can watch a hour and half video right?
no description of the video at hand except the copy / paste of the description on the video itself?

No review of the video / no this is my thought
Just plane
Copy / paste

When Someone like myself sees a copy paste post of a video description with no member input
tells me they don't want to discus the video but instead are just passing on biased information.

Is this thread just to promote a video? What is the purpose?