Liberals Ignoring Trump’s good side

a reply to: Willtell

Did he offer a solution to the infrastructure issue?

Or the China and Japan one?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Yes.


He says he will put tariffs on their products


Infrastructure he will just get money to invest in a nationwide building upgrade of it

That will bring millions of jobs

a reply to: Willtell
Jesus Man, it's all an Act, Ego.

a reply to: ugmold

Could be

a reply to: Willtell

Wonder if we have any trade agreements that would go against those tariffs.

Will just get money huh?

Wonder where it is going to come from.

Trump's talk is cheap, and is his clothing line.

Well, his silk ties aren't to bad...but don't pay full price for them. Hit up Burlington Coat Factory sometime, most of his stuff ends up there eventually.

originally posted by: Willtell
Was up liberals?

It's because he's known to lie about everything and tell people anything just to get his way. That's standard business for him. He just says stuff regardless of whether it's true or makes sense.

Once someone proves themselves to be full of crap, they're always going to be full of crap so you can't trust anything they say.

That's why we like Bernie because he says what he means and does what he says. His voting record also confirms that.

Why do you think we hate Hillary??? Because you can't trust the b!tch!! I trust Trump about the same.

a reply to: Willtell

He is going to identify which portions of the infrastructure need fixin!

He'll hire awesome managers who know what they are doing and are big time winners.

Between that and his 1000 mile wall, the US will be flush in construction slush for years. If you can believe that. Years!

And the teflon Don will negotiate for all of us! You'll see!

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

And is going to have the Fed on speed dial to pay for it all.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Trump, What's his view on the TPP?

“The new trade deal is a disaster,” he told the South Carolina Freedom Summit in Greenville, South Carolina in May.

Other countries would use currency manipulation to dupe the US, and domestic jobs would be lost under the TPP, he said.

Source
Believable or just political talking points even though they don't make him popular with either side?!

originally posted by: muse7
You could turn around every single point in your OP and apply it to Conservatives as well so I don't know why you are singling out liberals? Fishing for stars perhaps?

Why don't Conservatives leave aside their conspiracy theories and dogmatic views and vote for Bernie Sanders? A man who has stood by his views since he has been a member of Congress?

Why don't conservatives vote for Sanders? A man who:

Wants to get big money out of politics
Wants to do something about the massive wealth inequality
A fair and human solution to our immigration problem
Real family values, instead of the crap Republicans spew
And wall street reform

Do Conservatives not want any of these things?

Most mainstream voting conservatives don't agree with a majority of that. Wealth inequality being dealt with and WS reform doesn't benefit the "rich". Big money out of politics, speaks for itself as Koch and friends thrive on that. Also, would guess for most in agreement would be his declared Socialist position. His gun control stance is a negative. Though, it's said he is more sensible than Hillary about it- see here. The main issue maybe the simple fact that he's aligning with Dems.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: Willtell

I have read posts from the right side voicing their intent to vote for Sanders, but not a lot of chatter from the left about voting for Trump. Those steeped in partisan politics will not jump the fence, no matter what their party's opposing candidate promises.

If all else fails, some voters will justify their ballot choices with the lesser of 2 evils meme, especially if HRC somehow gains the nomination and is facing Trump.

Not voting for hillary. If she is the democratic nominee, not voting.

Wait wait wait! Don't refuse to vote! At least vote for a 3rd party candidate. If a 3rd party gets 5% of the vote in an election, they qualify for federal matching funds in the next election cycle. (note: I'm not sure if that's overall or just in that particular district. Need to refresh my memory on that.)

I despise Hillary with a passion & if she wins the Dem nomination, I'm voting for the Green Party or a similar left wing 3rd party again.

As for the OP:
What makes you think actual liberals are ignoring Trump? The simple fact is his "good side" is completely overshadowed by his "insane side".

Would you support someone who says they'll arrest your friends and crush your goals just because they also say they'll help you mow your lawn? Dude is on the wrong side of virtually every major issue we care about. Paying lip service to a few of our positions isn't going to sway us, particularly when we know the rest of the Republican establishment doesn't support them. Republicans in Congress would never vote for those policies and we all know this.

a reply to: Willtell

In a few quotes from this thread, you’ll see what I believe is the kernel of truth that will answer your question:

“If all else fails, some voters will justify their ballot choices with the lesser of 2 evils meme, especially if HRC somehow gains the nomination and is facing Trump.”

“Not voting for hillary. If she is the democratic nominee, not voting.”

“The liberals fall in line behind politicians that support NONE of what they actually preach, and take advantage of their wishes for 'peace' and 'humanity', and fall in lockstep when their leaders start dog-whistling about how the other side hates women, are racist, hate the poor, just want to fatten corporate wallets....yet their leaders fatten their own wallets and those of their friends, and somehow they see it for years now and still willing to believe its the 'other side' that caused all of this economic mess...and world political mess....”

“Uh, no. A whole lot of us who've been forced to vote for the lesser of two evils will simply sit this one out.”

“Why do you think we hate Hillary??? Because you can't trust the b!tch!! I trust Trump about the same.”

“Wait wait wait! Don't refuse to vote! At least vote for a 3rd party candidate.”

“I despise Hillary with a passion & if she wins the Dem nomination, I'm voting for the Green Party or a similar left wing 3rd party again.”


In the last mid-term elections, the Democratic Party lost a lot of seats in Congress. They were able to identify the problem immediately, failure to energize their voting base.

Then, as now, they couldn’t really campaign on the issues. Democrats had ample opportunity for immigration amnesty when they controlled both the White House and Congress, but didn’t bother. The lies told to pass Obamacare and the boondoggles associated with its rollout meant that they couldn’t base their strategy on that, either. African Americans noticed that the better future they were hoping for wasn’t materializing. And Americans in general realized that when it came to things like Middle East wars, torture, NSA spying, Wall St., too big to fail, etc., the Democratic positions pretty much lined up with the Republicans.

As a result, many solidly Democratic voters just stayed home, allowing for substantial Republican gains. Democratic strategists realize they can’t allow a repeat of that.

In the mid-terms, parties focus on the most influential seats up for grabs. They have to spread their resources. Fortunately, in a Presidential election cycle, you can focus on a single target. Trump is an easy target, so they are focusing on him. If Trump wasn’t running, it would be someone else. If you look at any Donald Trump thread currently on ATS, you’ll see a lot of posts about Republicans being old, white, Christian, uneducated, racist, hateful, etc. It’s not about attacking Trump, because he really doesn’t have a chance to win. It’s about trying to motivate traditional Democratic voters with the tried and true strategy: Whitey is out to get you.

If you’re Latino or Hispanic, then you need to get out and vote for the Democrat, otherwise those white Republicans will lock you in concentration camps and enslave you.

If you’re African American, then you need to get out and vote for the Democrat, because those rich white Republicans are racists and think that black lives don’t matter.

If you’re a woman, then you need to get out and vote for the Democrat, because the old men in the Republican party hate women and want to take control of your bodies.

If you’re white then you need to get out and vote for the Democrat, otherwise you are a racist, inbred, uneducated, Bible-toting, hillbilly.

When Trump is out of the race, the focus will shift to the next target, but the attacks will be the same, with additional emphasis stopping those evil Republicans at all costs. The last thing the Democratic party wants is for their core constituency to stay home when Hilary Clinton is on the ballot in November. I think she’s already been selected, but you still have to be able to show enough votes so it’s not so obvious that the election was rigged.

Trump is nothing more than the GOP Obama. He promises hope and change and some of us believe it like it's some sort of political religion.

Shouldn't we have learned our lesson?

a reply to: introvert

If that were the case, then what's the alternative? Voting for someone who opposes hope & change? Wouldn't that just be supporting the status quo (opposite of change) and hopelessness? It's kind of hard to rally people to support the status quo since most people claim they don't like the current system.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: TinkerHaus


What are we suppose to do...dude?
All we can do is go by what a candidate speaks he will do

Of course none of us know whether he or she will really carry out promises

You go on their history, and their consistency, and the plans they currently have to implement if and when they do get the election.

Trump's history indicates he's all over the political spectrum.

He's been very politically inconsistent over the years.

He has a lot of talk, but no clear plan to do any of the things he claims.

I know you want evidence, but as someone who works full time and attends school full time, I don't have the time to research the candidate for you. I would encourage you to do so, however.

a reply to: Willtell

We don't show interest in Trump offering those things for the same reason you tell your kids not to show interest in free candy from a stranger in a windowless van.
One he's going to do terrible things to us,
Two we're probably not really gonna get the candy.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: Willtell

In a few quotes from this thread, you’ll see what I believe is the kernel of truth that will answer your question:

“If all else fails, some voters will justify their ballot choices with the lesser of 2 evils meme, especially if HRC somehow gains the nomination and is facing Trump.”

“Not voting for hillary. If she is the democratic nominee, not voting.”

“The liberals fall in line behind politicians that support NONE of what they actually preach, and take advantage of their wishes for 'peace' and 'humanity', and fall in lockstep when their leaders start dog-whistling about how the other side hates women, are racist, hate the poor, just want to fatten corporate wallets....yet their leaders fatten their own wallets and those of their friends, and somehow they see it for years now and still willing to believe its the 'other side' that caused all of this economic mess...and world political mess....”

“Uh, no. A whole lot of us who've been forced to vote for the lesser of two evils will simply sit this one out.”

“Why do you think we hate Hillary??? Because you can't trust the b!tch!! I trust Trump about the same.”

“Wait wait wait! Don't refuse to vote! At least vote for a 3rd party candidate.”

“I despise Hillary with a passion & if she wins the Dem nomination, I'm voting for the Green Party or a similar left wing 3rd party again.”

If you look at any Donald Trump thread currently on ATS, you’ll see a lot of posts about Republicans being old, white, Christian, uneducated, racist, hateful, etc. It’s not about attacking Trump, because he really doesn’t have a chance to win. It’s about trying to motivate traditional Democratic voters with the tried and true strategy: Whitey is out to get you.

If you’re Latino or Hispanic, then you need to get out and vote for the Democrat, otherwise those white Republicans will lock you in concentration camps and enslave you.

If you’re African American, then you need to get out and vote for the Democrat, because those rich white Republicans are racists and think that black lives don’t matter.

If you’re a woman, then you need to get out and vote for the Democrat, because the old men in the Republican party hate women and want to take control of your bodies.

If you’re white then you need to get out and vote for the Democrat, otherwise you are a racist, inbred, uneducated, Bible-toting, hillbilly.

When Trump is out of the race, the focus will shift to the next target, but the attacks will be the same, with additional emphasis stopping those evil Republicans at all costs. The last thing the Democratic party wants is for their core constituency to stay home when Hilary Clinton is on the ballot in November. I think she’s already been selected, but you still have to be able to show enough votes so it’s not so obvious that the election was rigged.

First, what he said. This post clarifies what I tried to say and more, and so it deserves bumping so more can read it, and let it soak in. Too bad I could not quote it all and say what I want, some ideas need more than 7500 characters.

Second, to address a couple more points made by a different poster, not the one covered above (actually intended to pile on with the poster quoted above, who I agree with):

You go on their history, and their consistency, and the plans they currently have to implement if and when they do get the election.

And what 'history' does posts like this refer to??? What IS Trump's history? Well this poster does clarify a bit more below:

Trump's history indicates he's all over the political spectrum.

He's been very politically inconsistent over the years.

He has a lot of talk, but no clear plan to do any of the things he claims.

So you judge a businessman by his 'political' history? BIG FAT FAIL, I tell you. This is Trump's appeal. He is neither a Democrat nor a Republican. His 'political history' has changed as the parties have changed, and even as the current state of our economy and society and world affairs have changed. NOTHING IS STATIC, and some of us aren't accepting more crap from politicians that are spewing the same crap they have spewed for 40 years now. Especially the blacks and the poor, and that includes legal Hispanics that live in these same neighborhoods. They see they have been promised the Moon with Obama, only to see that race relations gotten worse, their neighborhoods have gotten more dangerous, and their ability to feed and house their families is being destroyed, while the next crop of Dems promise them 'change' with the same ideas they promised last time.

Much like the large majority of the voting public, Trump supports good ideas, and attacks bad ideas, from both sides of the aisle, because he is NOT A POLITICIAN, and those that keep insisting on judging him by 'political' standards FAIL.

And as far as 'clear plans', his stump speeches give clues, but his books clarify a lot more in detail. His immigration plan has a lot of good ideas, some of which deal with the H1-B visa abuse in ways identical to ideas proposed by....Bernie Saunders (what da hell???? Trump like Bern???). You know, those that say he has no ideas...need to read more and listen less.

The plan also includes stripping the 'Foreign Jobs Program' completely, and using that same program and resources to create a 'Urban Youth Jobs Program' (hell that sounds like another leftist idea????? what da hell???). It is a lot more than simply deporting illegals and building walls.

His tax plan sound more like a Ron Paul tax plan than any Republican plan...or Democrat plan for that matter (not Ron Paul, you don't say???). His infrastructure plan is much simpler...spend the money Obama took from us for his infrastructure plan (remember those 'shovel-ready' jobs Obama lied to us about???).

The reason why Trump has so much appeal is that a LOT of the public see all of the above, and only hard-core Republicans (those that want little Jebbie to take the throne) and hard-core Democrats (Hildebeast supporters) are ignoring the facts, and still dog-whistling their party attacks.

Party attacks ain't working this time!

Trump would be a terrible President. He might do a few good things, but he has the capacity to make a lot of terrible decisions. He has racist and womanizing tendencies. He is about as diplomatic as a rabid chihuahua. You can't overlook the issue that would make him a terrible choice, simply because you feel he might get a few things right. Even if they are important things. Personally I think he is just spouting off whatever will get him in office, and I doubt he has real ideas on how to make them happen.

He sees the world through his billions of dollars. He will find you can't just pay for all your solutions once he is POTAS.

a reply to: fleabit
a lot of words, no facts.

What racist tendencies?

Womanizing?? Since when did any one care (though after a few divorces men tend to grow out of it, it gets too expensive heh)

Diplomatic as a rabid Chihuahua? Actually that's a GOOD quality, but personally we need a bulldog as bas as things are!

A real person, with real faults, and real successes AND failures, that does not apologize for it, and is willing to act like a bulldog for what he is fighting, may be the appeal, and may be what we need now.

He does have some real ideas, and his ideas have changed over the decades, a lot like most of us change thru life, that is another real factor, he doesn't play politician, because he isn't one.

He sees the world not only thru his money (I'll give you THAT) but also thru his children's futures, and those futures are our futures as well, as when the country goes down we all go down.

Just my thoughts, I could be wrong, but for now I'm looking at him.