Two journalists killed in shooting during live newscast at Smith Mountain Lake

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Even the video someone just posted below our posts the still shot of that too me looks like a white hand, i dunno, guess im wrong anyways just thought it worth a mention

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I finally relented and watched it.
Did anyone else hear him mutter "bitch" under his breath?
I swear I did.

Yeah he definitely does.

originally posted by: CuriousPaddy
I dont know if anybody has mentioned this yet, if they did i do apologise. But the pic they have of the shooter is an african american male, yet the video the shooter uploaded from his POV, to me anyways, shows a white hand ?

He was described as a 'light skinned African American male'.

a reply to: KingIcarus

This is what i though but in good english... lol

But like other said, gun will not go in USA. But you need control... Manage them the most possible way... Good hunter and people will still have them.

Some place you can have gun in public place like it's nothing... That's not normal at all! But anyway. I will stop i'm too bad in english xD + dont want NRA lover to shot me

NRA = Worst then Illiminati because they are real

In the 23-page document faxed to ABC News, the writer says “MY NAME IS BRYCE WILLIAMS” and his legal name is Vester Lee Flanagan II.” He writes what triggered today’s carnage was his reaction to the racism of the Charleston church shooting:

“Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…”

“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."

originally posted by: CuriousPaddy
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Even the video someone just posted below our posts the still shot of that too me looks like a white hand, i dunno, guess im wrong anyways just thought it worth a mention

In the recent mailer he sent out Jeb Bush has one black hand. Posted on ats? So who knows??????

originally posted by: butcherguy

He was described as a 'light skinned African American male'.

Just posting these for comparison

originally posted by: mikegrouchy

Bonjour FreeQuebec86!

I'll let Bobby Jindal answer this one for me.

As for myself I would just say that my heart goes out to the families of Allison Parker and Adam Ward.

Mike Grouchy

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

This is most ignorant and sellout of a response possible.

More people are dead because of ridiculous gun control policies...... But let's not talk about why it happened or discuss how to solve the issue. Let's just prey to god and mourn about how tragic it is, until we're all over it and it just happens again next week.

And the cycle ignorance and stupidity just continues.

... talking about cycles that continue ...

Is the quote above in danger of trampling the victims with forgetfulness in a rush to push forward and agenda?

For instance, Subaeruginosa, do you remember little Jessica?

You know.
Jessica.







Jessica Rekos. Killed in the Sandy Hook elementary shooting. I remember her.








But the reader should be honest with themselves. Did anyone reading this suddenly hear the name of the shooter in their mind when they saw the word "Sandy Hook"? Myself I hear Jessica's name every time there is a senseless shooting. And now, Allison and Adam.



It is interesting to me how there is rarely a day for the victims, but there is always time to talk about control and policy.

Later in the manifesto, the writer quotes the Virginia Tech mass killer, Seung Hui Cho, calls him “his boy,” and expresses admiration for the Columbine High School killers. “Also, I was influenced by Seung–Hui Cho. That’s my boy right there. He got NEARLY double the amount that Eric Harris and Dylann Klebold got…just sayin.'"
abcnews.go.com...
In an often rambling letter to the authorities, and family and friends, he writes of a long list of grievances. In one part of the document, Williams calls it a “Suicide Note for Friends and Family."

--He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work --He says he has been attacked by black men and white females --He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man

“Yes, it will sound like I am angry...I am. And I have every right to be. But when I leave this Earth, the only emotion I want to feel is peace....”

“The church shooting was the tipping point…but my anger has been building steadily...I’ve been a human powder keg for a while…just waiting to go BOOM!!!!”

a reply to: FreeQuebec86

How many nra members are doing the shooting??? I don't even like the nra??? If you come back saying they promote something that kills so does about every government in the world so by that logic all governments are worse that the illuminati and also real

a reply to: blupblup

To me the hand in the video does not match this person, i know i may be completly wrong but the skin tone of his hand can be compared to the skin tone of the reporters body, people are even saying no real bullets where used and that he shot blanks

originally posted by: CuriousPaddy
a reply to: blupblup

To me the hand in the video does not match this person, i know i may be completly wrong but the skin tone of his hand can be compared to the skin tone of the reporters body, people are even saying no real bullets where used and that he shot blanks

I think the pic of the hand looks darker on the right.
I think the hand could quite easily be the hand a mixed race individual.


same with the close up caught by the dying cameraman




At first I was like huh.... that isn't the guy but I don;t know, the closer I look I think it's him.
It's to do with contrast, angle, quality of tape etc etc.

originally posted by: blupblup

originally posted by: butcherguy

He was described as a 'light skinned African American male'.

Just posting these for comparison

Yes, when I originally watched the video I thought it was a white male. I was confused when I read that he was black.

If you slow down the video (the one from the news camera), when the shooter appears in view he does not appear to be black or the same person described to be.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Well hope this isn't posted yet...

The shooter's video he made of the shooting...

Heartbreaking that's for sure.

Don't think that version has been posted.

Can definitely tell he went back an executed at least one of them, if not both of them. Then dumped some more rounds into one of them. Probably the female.

Out for blood and revenge. His actions are pretty much textbook for revenge killing. Up close and personal, excessive, and no margin for survival.

originally posted by: Kuroodo

originally posted by: blupblup

originally posted by: butcherguy

He was described as a 'light skinned African American male'.

Just posting these for comparison

Yes, when I originally watched the video I thought it was a white male. I was confused when I read that he was black.

If you slow down the video (the one from the news camera), when the shooter appears in view he does not appear to be black or the same person described to be.

The hand looks like a light skinned black male to me. The shirt looks like a match as well.

originally posted by: FreeQuebec86
a reply to: Boscowashisnamo

Which are the "good hand" for gun ?
The only i can see are Hunter that aim animal.
All other gun/situation are for killing HUMANS.

I'm for non-lethal arm for Police man ( And keep guns only for HIGH risk situation when a murderer is on the loose or armed criminal )

I just dont get these things :
1- The "Freedom" that seem to procure guns for guns lover.
I can understand loving gun and wanted to own them. But why keep them in your house? Why not leave them in a gun. Because you feel save around a gun, how can you??
2- The "Safety of owing a gun". How can a gun protect you from a attack like we saw "live" today... Like i said in my topic, to survive a gun attack you need to 1-Get lucky and hide 2- Counter-Attack.
YEAH in this situation, i would prefer having a gun then nothing. But here in Canada these situation are freaking rare because gun mentality is not the same. We get and know that more gun = more killing.

That why Canadiens in general are HEAVLY for gun control. Only the conservateur are against it and they are 2nd in pool near 3rd place now for future election. NRA canada are funding Conservateur here too.

3- WHY gun control afraid gun owner ??? Why ? You are afraid to not pass their test? You are afraid that "Gun fair" will stop ?
I think if Gun Control are more strict, gun lover will still be able to get them. Only mentally ill person and other with criminal record will not be able to ( or have to go on black market, giving more chance to get caught/or press more charge after their murder ) Because i admit, you have 1 gun per citizen... NRA love it and will continue to make you get those killing tools.


About the "contry under monarchy hate gun" i think most if not all Europe are mostly anti-gun. With Gun-Control like Canada. It's more a question of culture. Your country you look like every kids have try a gun by the age of 8yr. And you look like Gun are the tool of liberation for you.

But mannn... The revolution was 200yr ago. Their gun are NOTHING like today gun man.

And for the other guy. The Bobby video, and i saw him said that live on CNN i remember lol.. When in your country you will talk about gun control ? Never ?
It's SURE when PROBLEMS happen like this on LIVE TV.... That show the world our a FAT-COWARD-RETARDED GUY can kill 3 person in less then 10 second...
It's just proof how OverPowered gun are in real life. When kid can kill a adult by accident... it's not NORMAL.... They can't kill a adult with a knife by accident, at least it more rare as hell.

Gun-Control will just make it harder to these f*ck to get gun. Or they will need to go on the black market giving at leeeeeeeeeast the police to get him maybe...

But anyway, you wont change before a technology breakthroug ( like a VERY good electric non-lethal gun ).

And stop making "gun-control lover" look like they want hunter loose their gun. + Freedom of killing is not a freedom. Buuuuuuut anyway, maybe in 30yrs you will get it.

P.S : I'm SO hoping the Trump make a anti-gun statement today and will win the GoP. NRA can't buy him haha, and he would brag all his live about how he won without the NRA. His Ego will get crazy!

It's obvious from your posts the lowest common denominator in your equation is the tool, the gun. I don't agree, but understand another viewpoint from one abroad that interprets events from a singular position. Terms like "gun-lover" and others paints you stance on the matter, and further discussion will not change either of our positions.

The common denominator to me is a warped, evil being that chose to violate our society's most basic tenets, and to place the blame entirely on the tool used is shallow at best, and dishonest IMO. But that comes from someone who has spent his entire life in a country where the right to ownership of firearms is a that, a right, and not a privilege.

originally posted by: FreeQuebec86
a reply to: vor78

I'm talking about Gun control! I know they are not illegal, but maybe rifle ( semi-automatic style ) that are legal in USA aren't here.

Actually, most of those are legal, too. In fact, Canadians can actually get a few foreign semi-auto rifles that we in the US can't. You guys in Canada are limited to 5 rounds in a sem-auto centerfire rifle. Here's a quick look from a major retailer at some of the centerfire, semi-automatic rifles available to Canadian buyers.

There is NO limit on magazine capacity for a rimfire rifle, even with semi-automatics. You can find 100+ round magazines for rimfire rifles on the same website.

I'd actually be more than happy to have that gun control discussion if you want to start a new thread.

latest ive heard is that the guy used to work at the station, was fired a year ago, but they havent disclosed the reason why

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: blupblup

I think so too man, your right, the hand on the right does look the part, the more i look at it its seeming more likely, i was thinking at first it could even be a white hand with sun tan, too me sun tan on a white person looks different than a mixed race person, they have a more even skin tone, where as the hand below to me specially on the left, looked more like a white mans hand with a sun tan, i could be goin wayyyy off here but, its always worth to mention things you personally find suspicious, one of the reasons ATS is such a great place ! 9 men could think something true and the 10th man think it false, yet the 10th man could be right in the first place

a reply to: CuriousPaddy

The hand is that of a Black man..no doubt about that, from my perspective as a Black man. What puzzles me the most is that the video shot by the station cameraman and the video shot by the shooter seem to be at odds with each other.

The video being live broadcast/recorded by the camera man indicates that he himself was shot first. He falls to the ground with the camera while the reporter is still interviewing.

The video recorded by the shooter with his cellphone indicates that he shot the reporter first, and kept shooting at her while she ran away. Doesn't look like the cameraman was shot first, as the news station video shows, and as the news reports state.

Very sad.. but very weird too. I guess we'll have to wait for the official police report of the timeline before we know for sure.

cwm