Scientists Now Searching for "Alien Transit Systems"

a reply to: YeahYea4

I agree that they won't jump to immediate disclosure, as well. For several reasons. Chief among which would be the need for independent verification. Then of course they would have to figure out how to disclose it in the least chaos-inducing method possible. If the choice even remained theirs to make at that point. That's a pretty powerful bit of knowledge.

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: JadeStar

Definitely not saying it's not worth searching for. Just that it holds very small odds compared with the much wider search SETI is currently performing.

If someone were looking for you [lets say, from space looking down], you think they'd have a higher chance finding your house among the entire globe, or just 1 of your routes you drive every day?

Your house is just a single spot, but the travelling lanes you use are everywhere.

If both left a trace signature which one is likely to be found first?

a reply to: boncho

That is a bit of an inaccurate comparison, as the main SETI effort is still focused on radio signals in various parts of the spectrum. Which would be broadcast more widely than just a focused microwave beam for a light sail. It's more like asking which would be easier to locate in the dark, a laser or a bare lightbulb? The laser will transmit it's light much further in a more coherent fashion, but unless it is aimed relatively straight at you you're unlikely to see it. Whereas a light bulb will become too dim to see at a much closer distance than the laser, but within range it can be spotted from most any angle.

This conversation is so beyond my realm of understanding, that I will just chime in with the only thing I know on the subject "listen to phage"... that is all... lol

a reply to: jhn7537

That advice will rarely steer you wrong, if ever.

a reply to: JadeStar

I always get an uncomfortable itch when I hear Whitley Strieber talking about his ET experience. I do not believe a word of what he is trying to sell. I do believe he has been anally probed to make his story...uhm... "juicy"?

(Whitley Strieber is the man in the first YT-vid)


That doesn't take away my belief in ET tho..

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: pfishy
I just have to bring this to the table.
seti.harvard.edu...

Pretty early work by a man I know:
J. D. G. Rather, "Lasers revisited: their superior utility for interstellar beacons", Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, Vol. 44, No. 8, pp. 385-392, August, 1991.

That is absolutely fascinating!

Thanks for sharing

originally posted by: pfishy
I have to admit, I was half hoping the OP article would be about distortions in spacetime due to frequent warp travel through certain areas, and a method to search for it. TNG really set the bar too high for my science fantasies.

Because folding space with a wormhole is the most fastest way to get somewhere in the universe I propose searching for wormhole signatures in space.

originally posted by: zatara
a reply to: JadeStar

I always get an uncomfortable itch when I hear Whitley Strieber talking about his ET experience. I do not believe a word of what he is trying to sell. I do believe he has been anally probed to make his story...uhm... "juicy"?

(Whitley Strieber is the man in the first YT-vid)


That doesn't take away my belief in ET tho..

Sorry about that. The first video is not the show that I thought it was it's actually mislabeled. the second video is correct and the actual show. I will see if I can get a moderator to delete the first one .

originally posted by: zatara

originally posted by: pfishy
I have to admit, I was half hoping the OP article would be about distortions in spacetime due to frequent warp travel through certain areas, and a method to search for it. TNG really set the bar too high for my science fantasies.

Because folding space with a wormhole is the most fastest way to get somewhere in the universe I propose searching for wormhole signatures in space.

Check the first link in first post in this thread

originally posted by: trifecta

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: trifecta

I'm just making a rough assumption based on the second law of thermodynamics. Although the bubble is altering it's immediate space, it still must travel through unaltered space in some fashion. The pretense of the question was specifically not a wormhole. If it is using the principles of the Alcubierre warp theory, it is expanding and contracting space around it. Which seems inevitable to me that it would at the very least leave a gravitational disturbance in it's wake, which may be detectable by the right means. Not any means we currently possess, I wouldn't think, but theoretically detectable nonetheless.

Understood.

But since we're speaking theoretical, doncha think the window for register is small? Local particle agitation or presence of snap back seem like an exercise of futility. I don't think the fabric of space gets stretch marks, lol.

If one were to have a time plot the gravitational microlensing effects such a space warp might create if moving that might be like a stretch mark or wake. But such would require very careful observation of a small area and incredible luck.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: pfishy

They would necessarily be laser-like beams with tight focal widths, so unless they're aimed pretty much at us, good luck.

In which case, we would be expecting visitors.
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a reply to: JadeStar

I would like to suggest a rereading of my several threads of a couple of years ago about comets, and their uses as "cometships" as I call them. However, not many can handle the concept as it is too unconventional in every aspect.

a reply to: JadeStar
This is such a brilliant concept to me, and shows just how beautiful technology can be. I pictured, in my mind, an interstellar sailboat of sorts.

That would be one hell of a painting I wanna see if someone has actually created concept art for this whole idea. So cool, I'm very intrigued. This is along the lines of thinking that the EM drive resides (which is mind bending, and space time bending)

I'm going to make this simple it's a dumb idea. It casts a very narrow net or one specific incident. The odds of seeing it makes winning the lottery look easy. If you had unlimited finds sure why not. But reality is there isn't in fact the money is running out to do what we have been doing which casts a much broader net. The next big step is simply space based telescopes yrs it's possible for us to just look.

a reply to: JadeStar

According to Thiaoouba and the Angel Thao the Angelic Race and several of other races within the Milky Way have the technology to travel at Superliminal Speeds. They are able to travel in a dimension where time and space doesnt operate. Similiar to "The Bermuda Triangle" Anyone caught or someone who enter the two places where two parallel universes touch gets trapped in there. They use this rarified to reach superliminal speeds. Of course they are the most advanced technological and spiritual race in the Cosmos. They have a special gun on board that does leaves a trail. The weapon blasts the tiny little specs of dust that would destroy the ship traveling 7 times the speed of light. Maybe these trails can be found in deep space. If they do find radiation evidence from the propulsion of Alien ships using that would most excellent.

originally posted by: Thiaoouba Prophecy
a reply to: JadeStar

According to Thiaoouba and the Angel Thao the Angelic Race and several of other races within the Milky Way have the technology to travel at Superliminal Speeds. They are able to travel in a dimension where time and space doesnt operate. Similiar to "The Bermuda Triangle" Anyone caught or someone who enter the two places where two parallel universes touch gets trapped in there. They use this rarified to reach superliminal speeds. Of course they are the most advanced technological and spiritual race in the Cosmos. They have a special gun on board that does leaves a trail. The weapon blasts the tiny little specs of dust that would destroy the ship traveling 7 times the speed of light. Maybe these trails can be found in deep space. If they do find radiation evidence from the propulsion of Alien ships using that would most excellent.

Why not just send Superman to grab there ship and bring it here.

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: zatara

originally posted by: pfishy
I have to admit, I was half hoping the OP article would be about distortions in spacetime due to frequent warp travel through certain areas, and a method to search for it. TNG really set the bar too high for my science fantasies.

Because folding space with a wormhole is the most fastest way to get somewhere in the universe I propose searching for wormhole signatures in space.

Check the first link in first post in this thread

I visited that link and again was pleased how well-ordered and neat you composed that thread. Even for a layman like myself on the science you make it possible for me to understand ...... most of it.

and next round is on me...

originally posted by: zatara

originally posted by: pfishy
I have to admit, I was half hoping the OP article would be about distortions in spacetime due to frequent warp travel through certain areas, and a method to search for it. TNG really set the bar too high for my science fantasies.

Because folding space with a wormhole is the most fastest way to get somewhere in the universe I propose searching for wormhole signatures in space.

believe it or not there some legitimate science teams trying to do this.

a reply to: JadeStar

Solar sails is not what I'd be looking for.

When we hear the sound of the jet, we look towards the sound and not the vehicle itself, but we can trace the sound to it's source by looking a little to the left or right. Looking for emissions or indirect evidence could be the best way of discovering evidence of interstellar propulsion. That might be a bit easier than finding the wake of a solar sail.

It would take a huge effort and it probably has to be taken in baby steps, one light year at a time. A 'ping' every now and again from a moving source would be easier to find, and surely the search area would have be tightened to make sure that other natural beacons such as pulsars don't interfere.

But then again we don't understand alien propulsion systems so we could be back at square one.