Is There Evidence for Evolution? Show it to us.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

Yeah, we get it..

Eight years of 'education' AKA indoctrination does not a genius make.

Most of us have enough sense to realize the difference between education and truth.

Public schools INDOCTRINATE, they don't educate...

As another man without a high school diploma, I discovered many years ago that the "educated" class is generally not educated at all, it is mis-educated. The whole purpose of American (perhaps all "western") "higher education" is obviously to bring minds into lock step with "The Agenda." As a general rule, the less official American education a person has been exposed to, the greater his/her ration of common sense.

"Education" is Spiritual Suicide

"...the Illuminati eventually controlled the science departments in all colleges and institutions of higher learning. The plan was to stifle scientific knowledge and then twist what was left to fit the science they wanted the people to believe.

Science - The Illuminati Religion and Mind Control Tool for the Masses

Yup. You can't pry people out of the cave.

originally posted by: Phantom423

It's scientific fact.

....sigh*
.... Just Another Brick in the Wall

a reply to: spygeek

Are you implying that the the log burner in my living room burnt this all on its own without any prodding ????

Or HELP.

Therefore, fire = Intelligent Burning.

Oh creationists, never change! Your ridiculous logic never fails to amuse.

a reply to: cooperton

The celebration of ignorance is strong in this one.

"Open your eyes maaaaaan! Think for yourself! And by that, in mean take the literal interpretation of this old book of myths at facs value!"

Truley "enlightened" LOL

originally posted by: Phantom423


I challenge you to select one research paper from a respected scientific journal investigating some aspect of evolutionary biology and bring it here to the board for discussion.

This is not a contest. It's put up or shut up.

You still never answered my question, what came first: consciousness or matter? (I asked first )

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: cooperton


"Open your eyes maaaaaan! Think for yourself! And by that, in mean take the literal interpretation of this old book of myths at facs value!"

That's an aggressive mis-quote.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: spygeek

Are you implying that the the log burner in my living room burnt this all on its own without any prodding ????

Or HELP.

Therefore, fire = Intelligent Burning.

Oh creationists, never change! Your ridiculous logic never fails to amuse.

Actually, I am implying that you are the God Of Fire, as you are the one who presumably loaded the wood into the burner, ignited the original flame, and created the controlled combustion to suit your will.

The flame is your servant, the wood your sacrificial lamb. I kneel before you oh great one.

a reply to: cooperton

It's called "parody", not " quoting ". And yes, the sentiment in my parody is just as ludicrous as the claims you've been making.

You celebrate ignorance because your absurd religious beliefs are adverse to enlightenment. Thankfully, your ilk are thinning on numbers as more and more shed religious ignorance in favour of embracing the 21st century.

a reply to: cooperton

Matter, unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise.

Nah, no evidence required, but script from folks who did not know better then call moon great light created by angry man in sky, where today we know moon is only reflection of sun's light, and there are billions upon billions other lights in universe....

As what comes first.... from out ancestors we humans, and then only in recent history we created gods, many of them... for every possible occasion, until religion evolved and some noted that this way they can 'control' otherwise uncontrolled masses with promises of life after death... that is no different then ancient folktale sold to pharaohs for thousands of years....

Yes, in history we can follow evolution of religion, worst human discovery that has divided humans for thousands of years, costed us many lives and almost killed any progress for hundreds of years... There is a lot of evidence for this...

originally posted by: sapien82
god as a concept of a all powerful being who created everything is a human concept

Yet you have no problem whatsoever believing in a 100% fabricated religion based upon faith and assumptions that have nothing to do with Science.

Borel's law and the mathematical impossibility of Darwinism completely disagree with you as well.

originally posted by: Phantom423
Evolution is not a belief system. It's scientific fact.

Evolution is a blind faith - which is is COMPLETELY contradicted by evidence and science...

There are so many holes in it that it clearly becomes obvious what the real "faith" is...

Which is why so many Scientists have rejected the theory, because science 'evidence' is overwhelmingly against evolution:

“many scientists are trying to prove the doctrine of evolution, which no scientist can do.” ~ Robert Millikan (Nobel Prize winner and one of the most eminent physicists of the 20th century)

“The Darwinian theory of evolution has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of the imagination.” Dr. Albert Fleischman, Professor of Zoology at the University of Erlangen in Germany

“… the general scientific world has been bamboozled into believing that evolution has been proved. Nothing could be further from the truth …” ~ Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld

“Nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student, from Trueman's Ostrea/Gryphea to Carruther's Raphrentis delanouei, have now been 'debunked.'” ~ Prof. Derek Ager, Department of Geology and Oceanography, University College, Swansea, UK

“The theory [of evolution] is a scientific mistake.” ~ Louis Agassiz, Harvard University professor and pioneer in glaciation.]

“Science has so thoroughly discredited Darwinian evolution that it should be discarded.” ~ Australian biologist Michael Denton

“Evolution is a ‘metaphysical myth … totally bereft of scientific sanction.” ~ Mathematics professor Wolfgang Smith

“What is it [evolution] based upon? Upon nothing whatever but faith, upon belief in the reality of the unseen—belief in the fossils that cannot be produced, belief in the embryological experiments that refuse to come off. It is faith unjustified by works.” ~ Arthur N. Field

“ `Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever. In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact.' A tangled mishmash of guessing games and figure juggling.” ~ T.N. Tahmisian, physiologist for the Atomic Energy Commission

originally posted by: Murgatroid
Which is why so many Scientists have rejected the theory, because science 'evidence' is overwhelmingly against evolution:

Really??

“many scientists are trying to prove the doctrine of evolution, which no scientist can do.” ~ Robert Millikan (Nobel Prize winner and one of the most eminent physicists of the 20th century)

Physicist talking about revolution, in first half of last century... wonder why... but guess wiki knows...

A religious man and the son of a minister, in his later life Millikan argued strongly for a complementary relationship between Christian faith and science.[19][20][21][22] He dealt with this in his Terry Lectures at Yale in 1926–7, published as Evolution in Science and Religion.[23] A more controversial belief of his was eugenics. This led to his association with the Human Betterment Foundation and his praising of San Marino, California for being "the westernmost outpost of Nordic civilization . . . [with] a population which is twice as Anglo-Saxon as that existing in New York, Chicago or any of the great cities of this country." [24]

“The Darwinian theory of evolution has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of the imagination.” Dr. Albert Fleischman, Professor of Zoology at the University of Erlangen in Germany

Professor lived over hundred years ago... had no idea that genetics will prove evolution true, and huge amount of evidence in past hundred years that support evolution. Here is link for paper from 1895 with reference of his name: books.google.com... VA1eSCh0YPwSX#v=onepage&q=Dr.%20Albert%20Fleischmann%20bio%20Professor%20of%20Zoology&f=false )

“… the general scientific world has been bamboozled into believing that evolution has been proved. Nothing could be further from the truth …” ~ Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld

He was educator and author, not biologist or evolutionist. Not his field, and seems this was taken out of contest as well... and from wrong book... Carl F. H. Henry - God Who Stands and Stays - speaking about someone else... books.google.com... ved.+Nothing+could+be+further+from+the+truth&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAGoVChMIxNOyrujJxwIVhRSSCh03Uwn3#v=onepage&q=the%20general%20scientific%20world%2 0has%20been%20bamboozled%20into%20believing%20that%20evolution%20has%20been%20proved.%20Nothing%20could%20be%20further%20from%20the%20truth&f=false

“Nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student, from Trueman's Ostrea/Gryphea to Carruther's Raphrentis delanouei, have now been 'debunked.'” ~ Prof. Derek Ager, Department of Geology and Oceanography, University College, Swansea, UK

Right....

Like many YECs, Walker invokes Ager (1993) to prop up his medieval views. However, Ager (1995) did not appreciate YECs distorting his ideas to support "Noah's Flood." Specifically, Ager (1995, p. xi) vents his frustrations with both YECs and the antiquated Lyell Uniformitarian extremists by making the following statements:

"For a century and a half the geological world has been dominated, one might even say brain-washed, by the gradualistic uniformitarianism of Charles Lyell. Any suggestion of 'catastrophic' events has been rejected as old-fashioned, unscientific and even laughable. This is partly due to the extremism of some of Cuvier's followers, though not of Cuvier himself.

On that side too were the obviously untenable views of bible-oriented fanatics, obsessed with myths such as Noah's flood, and of classicists thinking of Nemesis. That is why I think it necessary to include the following 'disclaimer': in view of the misuse that my words have been put to in the past, I wish to say that nothing in this book should be taken out of context and thought in any way to support the views of the 'creationists' (who I refuse to call 'scientific')." [Ager's emphasis]

“The theory [of evolution] is a scientific mistake.” ~ Louis Agassiz, Harvard University professor and pioneer in glaciation.]

O boy... you know who he was and when he lived??? But even better, do you know what he proposed???

After Agassiz came to the United States he wrote prolifically on polygenism, the idea that races were created separately, that they could be classified on the basis of specific climatic zones, and that they were endowed with unequal attributes,[23] ideas now included under the rubric of scientific racism.

Agassiz never supported slavery, and claimed his views on polygenism had nothing to do with politics.[24] He was influenced by philosophical idealism and the scientific work of Georges Cuvier. According to Agassiz, genera and species were ideas in the mind of God; their existence in God’s mind prior to their physical creation meant that God could create humans as one species yet in several distinct and geographically separate acts of creation. Per Church historian Paul M. Blowers, Agassiz believed there is one species of humans but many different creations of races.[25]

“Science has so thoroughly discredited Darwinian evolution that it should be discarded.” ~ Australian biologist Michael Denton

Very controversial... between what he said and what he thinks..

Denton gained a medical degree from Bristol University in 1969 and a PhD from King’s College, London University in 1974. He was senior research fellow in the Biochemistry Department at the University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand from 1990 – 2005. He later was a scientific researcher in the field of genetic eye diseases. He has spoken worldwide on genetics, evolution and the anthropic argument for design. Denton's current interests include defending the "anti Darwinian evolutionary position" and the design hypothesis formulated in his book Nature’s Destiny.[2] Denton describes himself as an agnostic,[3][4] and he is a current Senior Fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture.

“Evolution is a ‘metaphysical myth … totally bereft of scientific sanction.” ~ Mathematics professor Wolfgang Smith

Mathematics professor??? Talking about evolution?? And more interestingly, geocentrist, who believe earth is center of universe.... lol...

Run out of space... but you see where this is going???

And this is best you guys can do? Some folks from over hundred years ago, some loons... and all of sudden there is scientist who reject because of 'evidence'. Do you understand that half of them presented with evidence today would not side with nonsense??? Just look at genetics.... huge amount of evidence that proves that we and chimps share common ancestors... or that today chicken have T-Rex genes... that scientist can turn on and produce interesting results...

It would be funny if it was not this sad...

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: sapien82
god as a concept of a all powerful being who created everything is a human concept

Yet you have no problem whatsoever believing in a 100% fabricated religion based upon faith and assumptions that have nothing to do with Science.

Borel's law and the mathematical impossibility of Darwinism completely disagree with you as well.

originally posted by: Phantom423
Evolution is not a belief system. It's scientific fact.

Evolution is a blind faith - which is is COMPLETELY contradicted by evidence and science...

There are so many holes in it that it clearly becomes obvious what the real "faith" is...

Which is why so many Scientists have rejected the theory, because science 'evidence' is overwhelmingly against evolution:

“many scientists are trying to prove the doctrine of evolution, which no scientist can do.” ~ Robert Millikan (Nobel Prize winner and one of the most eminent physicists of the 20th century)

“The Darwinian theory of evolution has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of the imagination.” Dr. Albert Fleischman, Professor of Zoology at the University of Erlangen in Germany

“… the general scientific world has been bamboozled into believing that evolution has been proved. Nothing could be further from the truth …” ~ Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld

“Nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student, from Trueman's Ostrea/Gryphea to Carruther's Raphrentis delanouei, have now been 'debunked.'” ~ Prof. Derek Ager, Department of Geology and Oceanography, University College, Swansea, UK

“The theory [of evolution] is a scientific mistake.” ~ Louis Agassiz, Harvard University professor and pioneer in glaciation.]

“Science has so thoroughly discredited Darwinian evolution that it should be discarded.” ~ Australian biologist Michael Denton

“Evolution is a ‘metaphysical myth … totally bereft of scientific sanction.” ~ Mathematics professor Wolfgang Smith

“What is it [evolution] based upon? Upon nothing whatever but faith, upon belief in the reality of the unseen—belief in the fossils that cannot be produced, belief in the embryological experiments that refuse to come off. It is faith unjustified by works.” ~ Arthur N. Field

“ `Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever. In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact.' A tangled mishmash of guessing games and figure juggling.” ~ T.N. Tahmisian, physiologist for the Atomic Energy Commission

Hey Merg, I've posted this several times in other threads. So I may as well post it again. BTW, your "references" are a lot of hogwash. You haven't given links to the websites so I have to assume that they are either taken out of context, are a complete fraud or written by crackpots. Give me the links and I'll tell you which is which.

As they say about the French, "Fifty Million Frenchmen Can't Be Wrong"
And 156,000+ research papers can't be wrong!



I'll save you the trouble of doing the research yourself. See the link below. Does Creationism have over 156,000+ research papers published anywhere on this planet? No. Of course, like others on this board, I am quite sure you will choose to ignore the hard evidence for evolution. But that's okay - I believe in survival of the fittest and natural selection - the Creationist genome, should one evolve through mutational error, will not be passed to future generations via the gene pool - that you can be certain of. Nature has a way of correcting itself.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: spygeek

Are you implying that the the log burner in my living room burnt this all on its own without any prodding ????

Or HELP.

Therefore, fire = Intelligent Burning.

Oh creationists, never change! Your ridiculous logic never fails to amuse.

Yep, I had to go back and re-read that post after seeing this. Poking and prodding? You mean like the environment has been doing to organisms for the past few billion years? Man, that's not evolution, it was forced!!! Some people just don't get it.

a reply to: Murgatroid

So are you ever going to address the evidence, or are you just going to keep spewing irrelevant quote mines and then vanish like every other thread? Yeah didn't think so.

originally posted by: SuperFrog
He (Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld) was educator and author, not biologist or evolutionist.

FYI, neither was Darwin.

Speaking of wondering WHY...

Darwin basically plagiarized Anaximander who taught that humans evolved from fish.

When analyzing the writings of Darwin, it is insightful to keep in mind that he has not been trained as a scientist, but as a clergyman. Darwin, as theology-student-turned-naturalist, writes to make disciples of his scientific “gospel”. Source

Much has been made of the fact that he trained for the ministry and turned his back on it. This is a double-edged sword for evolutionists. He didn’t have a degree in biology, which (in the minds of some evolutionists) automatically disqualifies one from knowing anything about evolution. Since Darwin doesn’t have any academic credentials, his credibility has to come from his experience aboard HMS Beagle. Darwin’s Credentials

Darwin was a theology student. He was not a scientist. He was, however, able to talk his way into opportunities through which he hoped to present himself to others as a naturalist. Darwin allowed his new-formed faith in man, materialism, and process to justify irrationality, shoddy scholarship, and wild speculation.

Once in the field, his lack of training and his inability to draw reasonable conclusions from his observations became apparent. This is why many followers of his theory of evolution must ignore the actual research of Darwin during the voyage of the Beagle and elsewhere, since so much of his work in places like the Galapagos Islands has been discredited.

What I Teach My Children About Charles Darwin

It would surprise many to know that Charles Darwin, the founder of modern evolutionary theory, was not a scientist but a theologian. Darwin only had a divinity degree and no formal training in the sciences. Yet, the staunch evolutionists who make fun of theologians using science to defend creation would never criticize the great Darwin on the grounds that he was a mere theologian.

Darwin Only Had a Theology Degree

LMAO at all those religious quote mines. So it's exactly like I thought. You have nothing.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: SuperFrog
He (Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld) was educator and author, not biologist or evolutionist.

FYI, neither was Darwin.

Speaking of wondering WHY...

Darwin basically plagiarized Anaximander who taught that humans evolved from fish.

When analyzing the writings of Darwin, it is insightful to keep in mind that he has not been trained as a scientist, but as a clergyman. Darwin, as theology-student-turned-naturalist, writes to make disciples of his scientific “gospel”. Source

Much has been made of the fact that he trained for the ministry and turned his back on it. This is a double-edged sword for evolutionists. He didn’t have a degree in biology, which (in the minds of some evolutionists) automatically disqualifies one from knowing anything about evolution. Since Darwin doesn’t have any academic credentials, his credibility has to come from his experience aboard HMS Beagle. Darwin’s Credentials

Darwin was a theology student. He was not a scientist. He was, however, able to talk his way into opportunities through which he hoped to present himself to others as a naturalist. Darwin allowed his new-formed faith in man, materialism, and process to justify irrationality, shoddy scholarship, and wild speculation.

Once in the field, his lack of training and his inability to draw reasonable conclusions from his observations became apparent. This is why many followers of his theory of evolution must ignore the actual research of Darwin during the voyage of the Beagle and elsewhere, since so much of his work in places like the Galapagos Islands has been discredited.

What I Teach My Children About Charles Darwin

It would surprise many to know that Charles Darwin, the founder of modern evolutionary theory, was not a scientist but a theologian. Darwin only had a divinity degree and no formal training in the sciences. Yet, the staunch evolutionists who make fun of theologians using science to defend creation would never criticize the great Darwin on the grounds that he was a mere theologian.

Darwin Only Had a Theology Degree

Hey Merg, we're still all waiting for the 156,000+ research papers supporting Creationism. And don't forget the ones that show that Darwin was wrong. I just can't wait [face plant]

originally posted by: Barcs
So are you ever going to address the evidence...

The only evidence I've seen is evidence of fraud.

When academics themselves refer to Darwinism as myth, the discussion no longer is about evidence, it's about credibility.

There comes a point when credibility is completely lost after so many lies have been exposed.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...

"Today our duty is to destroy the myth of evolution... ~ Pierre-Paul Grassé (professor of zoology at the University of Clermont-Ferrand)

Evolution is positively anti-science. Science deals with things that are testable, observable, and demonstrable and evolution has none of those qualities. To call evolution "science" is to confuse fairy tales with facts. True, evolution has been mixed with science for the last thirty years, but that does not mean that it is the same as science. Beer is often advertised during sporting events but the two subjects have no logical connection, and evolution has no more to do with science than beer has to do with sports.

Cult of Evolutionism

I am reading all this but I am learning nothing.

If we evolved from monkeys; then why are there still monkeys that never evolved over thousands of years..... How many monkey species are there? Has anyone seen a man come from any of these animals? They only produce monkey's.

Not trying to be rude but isn't proof someone actually seeing this process happen and documenting without a doult.

originally posted by: LadyFae
I am reading all this but I am learning nothing.

If we evolved from monkeys; then why are there still monkeys that never evolved over thousands of years..... How many monkey species are there? Has anyone seen a man come from any of these animals? They only produce monkey's.

Not trying to be rude but isn't proof someone actually seeing this process happen and documenting without a doult.

OMG here we go again. Can't you people do your own research? Why don't you read through this board? All the answers are there.

Another [face plant]