Biggest Gay Lobby Group in America Urges Schools to Ban Words ‘Boy’ and ‘Girl’

a reply to: pfishy

But ATS can be a place of easy, and even intentional, misunderstandings.

Quite.

And even while that seems obvious, some members won't explain themselves. And then they turn around and say, "You don't know me!"

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

... one might even say "a modest proposal" ... wait, they didn't suggest actually eating the children ...

But yeah, anybody who is different can either deal with it or be killed, I guess is the moral of the story.

Er, "suggestion" because it's clear that killing children and not always splitting children into groups of boys and girls is basically the same thing.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

I think by avoiding gender all together we will have done nothing to solve the actual problem.

I am a feminine heterosexual male not an it.

I think it is much simpler than what everyone suggests in it deals more with just human plumbing than anything else. If we want everything to become unisex then I guess we are ready to move on to the next stage of gender neutrality, but if any females here mind me being in the next stall, or the next shower head (Oh and I will look...) you might think again about all this no matter how you define yourself.

So there you go....Annie and Buzzy seem to have had a totally different experience then myself , being a female heterosexual that has always enjoyed the company of other females. So as a child or teenager do you "guys"...lol....think you would have been more open to friendships with a transgender "male" female ? I know for myself as a teenager I became very good friends with a homosexual "feminine" male....we had a lot in common.....we both liked planning parties !

For the sake of sweet random chance, read the article:

It's HERE.

There are no demands.

There is no erasure of the words "girls and boys."

There are suggestions for inclusion, ways to avoid hurting feelings UNNECESSARILY.

Like it or not, there are trans* kids, intersex kids, non-binary kids, etc. etc.

Some of you need to share a little of that Christian charity you claim to care so much about.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm not arguing that it exists. My point about the media is that it's being portrayed as both increasing and intentional for the most part. Accidental or unintentional bigotry is made to look like an absolute falsehood if the person in question is an adult. But like you said yourself, you have done it simply because you didn't understand someone else's reality, and completely without meaning to. I've been guilty of it myself before as well. Heck, when I was young, I knew gay meant males who liked other males, but being too young to have any real concept of the romantic/relationship type of love, I thought that all gay men did was have sex 24/7, because I couldn't see any other reason they would like other men. (And I can't believe I just actually told another human being that, much less an entire website. If you look hard enough, you can probably see how red my cheeks are through your screen). That was based on a limited amount of knowledge and a limited set of life experiences. So yes, bigotry certainly does exist, but it is not what it is generally being portrayed as.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Ain't it grand!

a reply to: pfishy

Hey, we all do it. My dad used to say (regarding another subject entirely) "more room out than there is in."

The media overplays everything. Right wing, left wing, tragedy, horror and desolation.

They thrive on it. Reminds me of the old song "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley.

I'd even go a step beyond what I said here and say that I think we're all a little _____-ist.

We evolved in small family/tribal groups. It was natural (and a matter of survival) to be very skeptical of "the folks across the street." I don't damn anyone for a certain degree of xenophobia, because if we say we don't have any, for anyone or any situation, I believe we're lying.

It is also, however, a measure of our civilization, and our personal growth, that we learn to overcome our "natural" impulses and treat each other equitably if not fairly.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I am most definitely not a little ____-ist. I treat all ____s equally, and doing otherwise has never crossed my mind. Those-----s, on the other hand, don't trust them, don't like them, and never will.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: beezzer

Men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses, either. Pffft.

Glasses are hot.


Might as well wade into the topic while I'm here, although reading along was fun...
FYI; TsukiLunar, you're hilarious.



I see that the progressives are the ones using facts & logic again, how shocking.
Darn progressives.

It's absolutely apparent that nowadays with minorities growing it is advisable to separate based on humourous things rather than stereotypes...

Those who did homework, those who forgot...
Those who play/watch football, those who debate...
Those who like comedy, those who like sci fi...
Mix it up...
Lighthearted interaction...
Rather than patriarchal or tribal nonsense.

When I first read it page 1, I looked back & don't think there was any transgenders or inter-sexual classmates in my class, and I thought what's the problem it's a rare thing anyways...

But we truly aren't aware how rare it actually is, or more importantly, how common but unknown to us.
& how it could affect people mentally.

That's my take, ladies and gents.

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: Gryphon66

I am most definitely not a little ____-ist. I treat all ____s equally, and doing otherwise has never crossed my mind. Those-----s, on the other hand, don't trust them, don't like them, and never will.

Reminds me of:

Nigel Powers: All right Goldmember. Don't play the laughing boy. There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.

Source

Sigh

Talk about first world problems. Now add a massive chip on their shoulder.

These people really need hobbies that don't screw with the 99.9% of humanity who don't care about their sob stories.

Like it or not, there is the normal majority of humanity and there are the deviations from the norm. Equal treatment means we don't play favorites because their feeling could get hurt. Every kid gets picked on, every kid feels different, every kid is insecure. Just because you think your story is different doesn't make it so.

a reply to: jude11

It seems like they get the words equal and same mixed up. Nobody is the same.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Facts and logic, yes, but don't forget sweeping generalities...

a reply to: Gryphon66

That was a seriously underrated movie. By the way, apparently #4 is in the works...

LOL@ "normal majority of humans. "

So, let's see, logically most of the majority of humans are non-Christian.

It's "normal" to be non-Christian in the strictest sense.

Okay to treat the abnormal Christian minority any which way then?

They should just get over it.

(Everyone is mistreated sometimes, after all)

/eyeroll

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: Gryphon66

That was a seriously underrated movie. By the way, apparently #4 is in the works...

We've recovered from The Love Guru then, finally?

Jeez-louise.

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So many great examples in this thread of why such measures as suggested by HRC are still so desperately needed. Pfishy, notice above, garden-variety bigotry and religious bigotry display themselves.

(I did the religious bigotry, kinda.)

a reply to: jude11

Someone should send that Lobby group though the CERN back to Vlad the Impaler's era, I wonder what Vlad would have to say about the boy and girl's issue.........

a reply to: Gryphon66

Above as in your comment? What exactly are you referring to?

Oh, the one before it maybe?

a reply to: MountainLaurel

Speaking only for myself? I think it very likely I would have.

As an adult I've had many friends who were transgender male, and female. My only issue, if issue it may be called, was surprise at just how many there are.

They're people, just like I'm people. Sooner we all come to that conclusion, and not just with this issue, the better off we'll all be.