Biggest Gay Lobby Group in America Urges Schools to Ban Words ‘Boy’ and ‘Girl’

a reply to: Cuervo

That should probably say "some of you guys are acting like..."
And actually, give the nature of this thread, I'd probably steer clear of saying "guys", too.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

Perhaps we can just start addressing each other as "comrade" and be done with it.

Why comrade?

Don't answer, I know exactly why you said that.

If you have to ask, I'd say that's up for debate.

a reply to: ketsuko

My point exactly.

a reply to: jude11

Education standards/results have been dropping over the decades. Bobby and Susie won't be able to read at grade level when its all said and done. But they won't feel bad about themselves. Fair trade off.

Sorry, of all the tips needed in schools the use of the terms boy and girl are like priority 100 out of 10

a reply to: pfishy

I say "guys" as a collective, no matter what. It's like "folks" to me. But, given the thread topic, I see your point, heh heh.

As far as saying "some" of you, again, you're right. That's how I meant it.

Some people are just looking for a reason to panic about our society "going to hell" every time there's a change in thinking. I'm just happy we all have term limits to life or we'd still have slaves building pyramids.

The education system produces airheads like this ...

www.youtube.com...


One step forward ,
Two steps back ....

I'm happy that so far this is only a suggestion for teachers...and here's why, for better or worse we learn a lot about different types of people in the world through our teacher's personalities. Remember growing up and having that one uptight, strict teacher that called their students "Ladies and Gentlemen" or "young Man and Young Lady"...lol....and God forbid you got caught chewing gum in their class ! As opposed to that teacher who had everyone in class sit in a "loving circle" and start the class with daily affirmations......using every kids first name whenever possible and having their students call them by first name ! Let's not forget the classic P.E. coaches that called us by our last names, maybe "sport or champ" on a good day. Those where important life lessons that EVERY kid needs to learn.

I'd like to believe that most people that choose to be a teacher have the kids best interests at heart and has no intent to shame any kid for anything other then not doing their best to LEARN ! Maybe some teaching styles might hurt a kids feelings and maybe some teachers will open up the World to certain kids....part of life is the ability to interact with others and through that journey hopefully find your "tribe" , those who you choose to spend your time with. I don't like the idea of giving teacher's "scripts"...takes all the fun out learning. Kinda like the ATS "tribe"

I like being a Girl, I was girly girl in school and I had a few ultra feminist teachers that didn't really like me but loved my more tom-boy sister and she had the same experiences with other teachers....we lived and learned that not everyone is gonna "like" you or "get" you...and that's OK !

originally posted by: pfishy
And I'm sure that this next question will get me drug into the street and shot, but with all the chemicals that has been found to mimic hormones in plastics and other products, I wonder if that hasn't contributed to the seeming increase in gender dysphoria in children under the normal age of sexual development.

Okay you, into the street now. I'll get my slingshot! Short answer to your question is no.

There is no evidence that hormone levels, exogenous or endogenous, contribute to gender dysphoria or gender atypical behavior manifestations. At puberty, most children desist in these feelings and for those that don't, the vast majority grow up to be gay and lesbian. For those that do persist with gender atypical behavior and gender dysphoric identification, the flood of endogenous hormones at puberty do nothing to change the mind other than to usually cement their belief that they indeed weren't born with a body that fits them socially or mentally. There is a growing body of evidence that prenatal hormone exposure or androgen insensitivity might be contributing factors or predispositions toward these things but nothing is overwhelmingly conclusive. Transsexualy in children and adults are two separate conditions, neither of which is affected or caused by environmental or internal hormone levels.

Secondly, there is no evidence of an increase of gender dysphoria in children. There is a lot more awareness, visibility and compassionate treatments following widely accepted modern standards of care than there used to be. It also plays well in the media and why there is the perception that the occurrence of this condition is higher than it has been in the past.

And to Ketsuko, I was born at the beginning of 1955, well before the pill or the suspected massive contamination with the chemicals suspected in your theory.

a reply to: radarloveguy

Well, yeah, South Carolina maybe.
And it also produces brilliant thinkers.
Again, an argument against the idea that everyone is born with equal potential. Undoubtedly, most are, but sometimes the genetic roll of the dice comes up snake eyes, and you're destined to be a complete idiot. Possibly from the Iraq...

a reply to: EKron

Like I said, the seeming increase in gender dysphoria. And you explained that rather well. As to the parental hormone levels having a possible causal effect, it seems like that's just another branch of the tree my question came from.
But I wasn't saying that for sure any of it was true. It was merely a speculative thought.

a reply to: EKron

Oh, and I'm wearing my slingshot-resistant frock, so back off, buster!

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

"This is a natural occurrence caused by unnatural means"
You are dang right. The average age of menarche in the Western world, especially the US and UK, has lessened by 3 or so years in the last 70 years. Even since I was at that age, kids are developing at younger ages. And I'm sure that this next question will get me drug into the street and shot, but with all the chemicals that has been found to mimic hormones in plastics and other products, I wonder if that hasn't contributed to the seeming increase in gender dysphoria in children under the normal age of sexual development. Being exposed to hormone-like chemicals, and the hormones added to our food supply, is obviously contributing to the increasing instance of precocious puberty. If a child is at a stage is still at a point where they haven't developed much more than a basic sense of self, and they are being exposed to hormones that cue sexual development, couldn't that cause somewhat of an identity crisis.
I'm not saying that homosexuality or anything else in that spectrum is strictly an environmental thing. So don't put those words in my mouth, please. But I do wonder if this could be a thing. Hormones, as I'm sure we all recall, are damn powerful stuff.

Human growth and development is indeed greatly impacted by what we consume. The adage, "We are what we eat", holds some truths.

A child's first introduction to food products usually start with their day of birth. What we introduce into their bodies will determine greatly how the child will grow and develop. Feeding a child from infancy has been a challenge, from the beginning of time and still remains a challenge today. What we feed our children is too often based on what is available and what is affordable. We have experimented with this problem for centuries.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

We truly have no way of knowing what the impact is going to be on future generations from the large amount of chemicals we ingest from infancy. The types of chemicals, the levels of exposure, the amount consumed, possible interactive components and possible interactive characteristics, may appear in years or generations. Many will go unrecognized and unidentified until something significant develops that causes a big enough impact for them to go hunting for a cause.

We do know that children today are exposed to massive amounts of chemicals and the cheaper the product the more chemicals. Almost everything we provide our children is made out of some form of plastic. A quick search of the impacts of plastics on the health, growth and development in children, will provide you with several years worth of reading.

I can tell you that this; a few years ago I had to take emergent, mandatory classes on the proper disposal of medical waste. It was the first time in ages that I spent more time researching and taking more classes, than was required. What I learned about our food and water supply was beyond scary. Frogs are our canaries. Frogs exposed to our water supply had significant changes in their sexual deveopment, this was one of the big reasons they were making across the board and very expensive changes in how we dispose of medical waste. Problem is, the horse has already left the barn. Our children obviously are already being affected, and in numbers that makes it important for us to know that whatever may or may not develop, our children and what is best for them should always be our highest priority. We have done a lousy job of it up to now. Maybe we can do just a little better for them and our future.
www.med.umich.edu...

Since this subject is probably worthy of its own thread and I don't want to cause the subject of this thread to drift, maybe someone may want to take on that monster, it won't be me.

a reply to: jude11

" Urges " , Yep the Sure got Them .............Unnatural ones at that ...........

originally posted by: jude11

Nice Thread Jude

Yeah, they can label themselves to stand out and be special but the rest of us are just not worth a label.

Ironic isn't it?
I wanna label!
Jude

Yes I want one too, have thought about that for years, something like " Just Human, like You"

Equal does not equate sameness, they have their terminology all wrong.
We all have or should have equal rights but we should celebrate our differences instead of demanding uniformity.
Fascism, communism, these terms just come to mind.

Perhaps society is just evolving away from dinosaurs like me.

a reply to: pfishy
Yes, you did say "seeming increase" and I acknowledge and appreciate your recognizing that trans* people aren't overtaking the world and threatening the downfall of society. I guess I won't have to shoot you now?



As someone who dealt with all this gender crap as a child and adolescent in less enlightened times but still managed put it behind me to lead a relatively normal adult life, believe me when I say at some point all of us have speculated on our etiologies or wondered why or what made us this way usually with no clue or answer. I have no idea or anything to point to that explains why I was born a boy but grew up to be a girl. It's just something that seemed normal or natural to me that didn't require an explanation. Still doesn't.

a reply to: EKron

And I'm happy you are one with yourself.

Words are only as effective as their relevance to what they're applied to to describe.

If the notion of 'boy' / 'girl' is becoming defunct - as it clearly is, given the belated acknowledgement of trangenderism - then the words should either have their definitions redressed -or- the words themselves supplanted by those with more applicable definitions to the subject matter they're assigned to.

It's simple linguistical logic; nothing more (...unless one is a blinkered bigot, of course).

a reply to: PresidentHeston

How are the words boy and girl becoming defunct when they are still perfectly accurate in relation to (and I'll go well past the estimate of the Transgender population ) at least 75% of the population?

That's like saying that because a certain percentage of vehicles are motorcycles, the word car is defunct.

a reply to: PresidentHeston

And implying that people who don't agree that those words are defunct must be bigots, well, that's just weak.

I don't have kids yet.

At this point, I'll probably stay away from the idea til I move to another country.