The Black Madonna - Isis, Gaia, Kali, Mary

a reply to: romilo

Did you know where most of the kale comes from? Strangely you can write in English, you live in Sweden?

originally posted by: yulka
a reply to: romilo

Did you know where most of the kale comes from? Strangely you can write in English, you live in Sweden?

There are two Kale tribes in Europe today, other lives in Spain also known as Gitanos and us in Finland, popular theory is that our tribes came from north India, Rajasthan areas around 1000-1300 centuries.

But there is quite few legends and stories considering different origins and matter of fact quite few Rhoma denies strongly our Indian origin and instead traces it further back to ancient Israel and north Egypt.
For example this site is rather interesting but long read www.imninalu.net... there are many pages with quite depth research on many aspect and comparisons with ancient Israelis cultures etc.

It is also interesting note that there are globally, "awakened" Rhoma whom says we belong to ancient Israel/Egypt and indeed some our elders have told these legends before i even found em from internet.

My English is bit slow and quite limited but i try to take my time so i can fix bigger typos.

a reply to: Ignatian

Just because you fail to really read and study the preserved word of God does not mean the rest of us have.

A Christian cult is defined as any group who have 1) additional publications, teachings and manifest other than the Bible. RC Does along with K of C, and the Popes declarations over the last 1700 years. Purgatory, Limbo and other teaching not found in the Bible 2) you must be part of their group or you are not and cannot be saved, 3) Unbiblical practices i.e. rosary, masses, worship of Mary, Paying for Masses and prayers, A priest hood, prayers to any other than Jesus or God, Confession of sins to a priest, and the Eucharist 4) Additional works added to the work of the cross i.e. catechisms, faith in Mary, attendance to mass, and much more.

get a preserved Bible and repent.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Pretty much everything you said in that post is flat out, not true. You can believe that or not.

A "preserved bible" ? The Catholic Church compiled the bible, we would certainly know what the proper canon is in it.

Maybe try widening your world view. Study sources that are not rabidly anti-catholic. Also, if you spent a considerable amount of time studying peer reviewed Christian history, especially the early Church fathers, you may look at The Catholic Church in a new light.

a reply to: romilo

I am also a kale, the answers does not lie in India, its only the beginning, the answers are in Scotland. We came from a place long ago, where rivers flow and time did not exist. I found the answer, we are not part of this world.

a reply to: Ignatian

I have doctorate in Divinity, pastored for 15 years. I have read the so called early church fathers. Have you ever read what Jesus Said about calling any man father?

peer review, I am not a respecter of men. Have you not read what Paul said about those who commend themselves and others?

You will know the truth in that day.

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: ChesterJohn


A "preserved bible" ? .

Yes God promised to preserve his words to every generation. and he has.

Can you find the promise in your Bible? If so did God keep his word or not?

I know he did. His words all his words are found only in one English Bible today. It has his mark upon it and only one seeking truth will find it. His words are the Bible whole and complete without error preserved for us in an English Translation. I pray you find it as I did and repent.

a reply to: yulka

Well i have also seek further out as i also think we lived in India for maybe longer period of time but we came somewhere else before India, i do not have heard much of connections towards Scotland before, i would be interested to learn if u have story to go with?

There are stories from India from the time period our ancestors left India, they tell that Muslim armies lead by Muhammad Ghazni tried to break north Indian defenses for years but in the end they found a way to strike they managed to break defensive army in tree parts, one withdraw to Himalayas mountain and end up living there, one withdraw deeper to India and joined armies there and one part escaped through Persia towards Europe and they say European Rhom come from them. So this theory says our ancestors were caste of warriors aka Khastriya designed to defend north India that is Rajasthan areas and eventually got broken down and scattered in 3 different paths.

www.forumbiodiversity.com... I could not found the site where some Indians linked directly Rhoma to Rajputs but nevertheless that is one story how our ancestors left India.

a reply to: yulka

Thank you,
wanted to add Ishtar, Astarte, Inanna (Sumerian and Babylonian female sun gods) and Ereshkigal (sister of Inanna) queen of the underworld, Queen of the dead. Inanna and Ishtar are the earliest Resurrection myths.

I love that all these christ centered cults are still claiming to be monotheistic.
One God only one God, oh and his Kid jesus and then Mary who is not God's wife, well she is sort of like his mistress but not really because she was a virgin, ask Christ's older brother. And I am not sure How God's wife, Yahweh's wife, Asherah would receive her stepson Jesus. If I were Asherah I would feel a little put off having my place in the holy trinity taken by a mortal.

Right but to the topic: 700 years of soot didn't cause paintings just as old as the statues to have the same Moorish complexion!

Mary is always shown wearing a head covering like Muslim women today, a head covering was required for women throughout Christian history.

The head coverings you mention look an awful lot like the clitorus and labia, but really wouldn't a true depiction of the goddess have vaginal, uteral and or clitoral images alluded to overtly, or hidden as subtext? The headdress also appears to be a holdover from the egyptians. The border and how it lays on the shoulders is very similar to certain egyptian head garments. People seem to forget that this was a new dynasty of sorts. Mary is Royalty. Jesus is of the line of David by adoption and directly related to Yahweh> The church allowed her to be depicted with a crown.

I do not ascribe to any particular christian faith, i was not offended by a hypothesis or a postulation regarding the increasing interest in the Black Madonna or the White Madonna. I would say there has been an increase in goddess worship globally. I have noticed it but I live in a pretty religiously progressive area.

originally posted by: Ignatian


When a statue sits in a church for a couple or 700 years, it eventually can turn black from the constant exposure to candle soot. That's it, that's why they're black, nothing supernatural here.

No. There is worship of the Black Madonna in Europe, which is also a large part of the gypsy tradition, but was once largely popular in the Catholics of the mediterranean regions. (in the 11th and 12th century).

Statues painted black are still often found in fields, where people used to bury them to protect and bless their crops. They are still in many Catholic churches here, such as the Basilica Montserrat, in Barcelona.

For the Catholics of the middle ages, it was a symbol of Mary Magdalen, believed to have been the wife of Jesus, who came to South France after the ascension of Christ, with two other women, and lived out her life there. For the gypsies, who still celebrate each year in St. Maries de la Mer, she is the symbol of Sara, supposed to be one of the two women who accompanied Mary, a young girl. (Sara la noire, or Sara la Kali). She is traditionally believed to have been from Egypt, and was a servant to the to Mary's.

She is largely another icon that was incorporated into Christianity from earlier belief systems. Thus the reference to Kali of the hindus.

Many years ago we rented a large barge and travelled around the canals of South France visiting many churches that have black madonnas. I assure you they are not black because of candle soot. Some have faces and hands made of black marble, some are paintings (candle soot would make all the painting black, not just one character). We've taken part in the festival at St. Maries de la Mer.

I personally do not get too concerned about who she was exactly, it is simply a symbol of the feminine force, the Yin, which is the opposite of the masculine force, and so black is appropriate for that symbol.

There are belief systems in which darkness is not "evil" but feminine - the darkness of the womb, darkness of night and rest, of potential for creation and change, the earth, fertility. There used to be more value on that before the worship of masculine grew to such exaggeration as to consider the feminine as evil.