Caitlyn... Check Yourself!

Before I begin this rant, some disclosure: The subject of transgendered people is not an abstract for me. There is a member of my family who is transgendered... well at least I think that term still applies. He was he until a few years ago. Then he became she. But as of a few weeks ago she is now demanding to be referred to as he again. The current claim is that he is both a homosexual male and a female lesbian - all at once. I honestly am frustrated about the whole thing.

From day one of this persons "coming out", I was positive that their entire transgendered thing was a ruse to serve a twofold process. First, he left his wife of fifteen years to move in with a much younger lesbian. Second he has always ascribed to a way over the top version of Ayn Rand social Darwinism - openly stating that "defectives", minorities, the poor and the elderly should all be summarily executed. In my opinion, the obvious bigot sought to hide behind gender politics to be shielded from the hate that his political positions so often garnered.

Gender removed, this person was a sociopathic ass from day one and that hasn't changed. While I don't think that he is representative of all transgendered people - he certainly has caused a predisposition towards some level of bias within me.

So, with that aside... Onto the hypocrisy of Caitlyn Jenner...

Here is what Caitlyn had to say about the economically disenfranchised...

"Don't a lot of times they can make more not working with social programs than they actually can with an entry-level job," she says. "You don't want people to get totally dependent on it. That's when they get in trouble – 'Why should I work? I got a few bucks, I got my room paid for.' "

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Now sit back and watch as the same conservatives who have been mocking Caitlyn for months by saying things like "Today my sexual identity is a taco. Can I be a sexual taco today?" come to her defense. THAT is hypcrisy.

Further, Caitlyn Jenner... shame on you.

I realize that this woman lives in a bubble of extreme wealth, and has for decades at the very least. I am aware that her entire universe is a perverse and twisted reality TV land where Kanye and Kim come to dinner and the garage is wall to wall Ferrari's. But, my God! When Jenner decided to come out as transgendered it was LIBERALS who kept her relevant and supported her. It is LIBERALS who keep her viable as a commodity and earning that money she apparently does not know how to appreciate or be thankful for.

She is biting the hand that fed her.

If a person is only liberal in the areas that directly affect them... if they only care about tolerance as it directly effects them... then they are not liberal at all. They are just an opportunistic conservative.

So angry!

So ATS. Am I getting triggered here because this side of Cait reminds me of that jerk member of my own family? Or do you also see this as hypocrisy in it's purest form?

Oh, well, just because Caitlyn now belongs to an "identity" group, she has to conform to all your preferred beliefs about what they group thinks ideologically?

This is a huge problem I have with the left. This is the same kind of thinking that leads left leaning folks to draw political cartoons likening people like Condoleeza Rice or Clarence Thomas to Uncle Toms or to throw Oreos at other black conservatives.

a reply to: ketsuko

That is one way to see it. Or how about this one... one disenfranchised group is as valid as all others and it's totally morally wrong to pick and choose preferred disenfranchised groups based solely upon which one you happen to belong to.

a reply to: Hefficide

Hello Heff.

I am not sure about all this. Madam Jenner is in another league and leads a very cushioned celebrity existence.

The two transgender people I knew were very nice and gentle people. One I knew for a while at university and the other committed suicide because the change was too much for her psychologically.

Transgender people will come from all walks of society. I think it may be a mistake to ascribe certain blanket aspects to this group.

originally posted by: Hefficide
While I don't think that he is representative of all transgendered people - he certainly has caused a predisposition towards some level of bias within me.

So if you personally knew one gay guy who was a sociopath or one black guy who was a bigoted ass or whatever opinion you have of the person, would that make you slightly biased toward all gay guys or black guys?

a reply to: Hefficide

I'm a male lesbian feminist. Accept me now. /rant over.

a reply to: blupblup

Is that how it reads? Admitting I had a personal connection that might predispose me to bias, and then asking if that bias was effecting my POV here doesn't quite seem the same as what you are suggesting.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: Hefficide

I'm a male lesbian feminist. Accept me now. /rant over.

Well I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

a reply to: Hefficide



Sorry Hefficide, but I fail to see your point entirely. First of all, the *only* reason Caitlyn "speaks" for the transgender community, on some level, is because she wants to use her STATUS and WEALTH to benefit those who have neither. She sees an opportunity to help those who can't help themselves, and by transitioning she takes on the responsibility of helping others.

Having said that, she is being HONEST, and TRUE to herself by saying what SHE thinks, what SHE feels, what SHE believes. How can you say she isn't a true liberal if she does this? Or she isn't a true conservative if she does that? Aren't we passed these stereotypes of what a liberal or conservative are yet? Most people are not cookie cut ideological stereotypes or able to fit so nice and tidy into a category/label.

What you are saying is that now that Caitlyn is part of the transgender community, she needs to completely become FULL "liberal" in your eyes, in order for her to be authentic? Wouldn't that be the OPPOSITE of authentic??

If you watch her docu-series, you see that it IS an issue in the LGBT and transgender community.....but this is ENTIRELY new to her, she is growing, she is learning....it is a PROCESS, just like the transition itself.

She admitted that she is going to make mistakes, and that she has a LOT of growing to do. The fact is, she is TRYING.



Again, Hefficide, I don't see WHY it matters. This isn't a POLITICAL issue, it is a SOCIAL issue. Caitlyn is a transgender individual on her own journey.....you can either be supportive of it, against it, or don't care less.....but she is doing HER, and I don't see anything wrong with her approach.

a reply to: supermarket2012

I think it's great that she's helping some folks. I also think it's sad that she's so quick to throw others under the bus however. Particularly when poverty is an issue that effects people from every walk of live, including the LGBT community. If you read the article even her own friends are concerned about the apparent disconnect.

a reply to: Hefficide

We could also allow her to talk all she wants, we are not under any obligation to listen.

Look, you are trying to pigeon hole her.

It seems like you expected her to be all "down with the struggle" or something just because he suddenly became she.

It's stereotyping. It would be like saying you think every single Christian ought to be linking hands in front of PP every weekend because you know some do or that no churches marry gays because you have seen WBC splashed up on your TV all the time.

Just because he changed his outward shell to she doesn't mean he has to change his attitudes or beliefs about everything at the same time.

Again, this is liberalism at work where we can be as diverse as we want in appearance, but God help you if you think differently than I expect you to.

Doesn't Bruce Jenner still have all of his parts? He'll be a he until he's able to reproduce, or be menopausal (unless "Caitlyn" is younger than Bruce). Until then, there is no "Caitlyn". That's just a projected identity of his unusual fetish and confusion as to who he is as a person. And that is the case with most that I have learned about. I had a friend who became a woman so he could be a lesbian. Honestly ask yourself if that makes any sense. He was always an incredibly smart, but mixed up guy. His mind was just all jumbled up. Like a big bundle of wires knotted up. He would over think the simplest things and despite his intelligence, do things that made no sense whatsoever. He would turn the easiest things into incredibly difficult things. He eventually married a beautiful girl, but it was easy to see his mental state deteriorate as he quit hanging out with his friends and his closet fetish consumed him and became his very identity. It's a mental disorder. I'm not going to hate on anyone because of a disorder, but that is what is. A polticized disorder.

a reply to: Hefficide

It always bugs me when a minority group diminishes another minority group while ignoring that they might be going through the same thing (in a slightly different manner in most cases of course).

I agree with everything you have posted and can even relate (the family side of things).

My opinion is that you did a great job of pointing out certain hypocrisies which society will let certain groups get away with while others don't get the same "free pass". My family member is guilty of almost everything you laid out in your OP.

I try to stay out of the conservative/liberal side of things but if I were to pretend that I acknowledge these divisive groups, I would have to say that by definition your comparisons and contradictions which you pointed out were bang on.

I also see that a lot of posters are being a little hard on you but that's okay, you're a smart/not easily offended type of guy and you knew the can of worms you were opening by authoring this post

I've had several rants I've wanted to author since this whole self identity thing became amplified by the media spot-light.

I support Caitlyn and anyone "struggling" with their identity.

I've self identified as man/bear/pig on ATS, and as the Terminator on FB.

I think I'm going to be SpongeBobSquarePants until I clock out in 40 minutes.

a reply to: Hefficide

Call me cynical but I think they just swing whichever way will make them a buck. Bruce is just a flavor of the week and gives them an excuse to spout off.

Speaking as someone who only knows of the Kardashians /Jenners due to constantly falling over headlines about them in the online newspapers, I'm mystified as to why anybody should take an interest in any of them.

I think it's a reasonably fair assumption that they're not noted for their intellect?

How you feel about Caitlyn and whatever she said is a matter for you, I don't think it need make a difference to anyone else. (I mean feelings, not that you ought not share your opinions).

Perhaps best to concentrate on more inspirational people and support them.

Your family member sounds extremely interesting, albeit obnoxious. It might be constructive to come to terms with your feelings about him/her and how you think s/he reflects on the rest of you.

a reply to: Hefficide

You are not going with the program I will have to report you once jade h goes live

a reply to: Revolution9

Sorry you lost a friend that sucks. I can't even imagine the turmoil that they went through.

a reply to: Hefficide

For you and the members:

LGBT history

This has been with us from the start and always will be.

From the article a 1920s song:

"Masculine women, Feminine men
Which is the rooster, which is the hen?
It's hard to tell 'em apart today! And, say!
Sister is busy learning to shave,
Brother just loves his permanent wave,
It's hard to tell 'em apart today! Hey, hey!
Girls were girls and boys were boys when I was a tot,
Now we don't know who is who, or even what's what!
Knickers and trousers, baggy and wide,
Nobody knows who's walking inside,
Those masculine women and feminine men!"

Every generation is on repeat, varying in acceptance according to trends of conservatism and liberalism.