If Someone Proved one point Would Accept the rest?

a reply to: RomanMaroni
You could have done a Google search for those frequencies.
http:www.airnav.com/airport/dca
In 2001 they likely had them as part of their flight training.
Or they bought a flight manual with all the US airports listed.
Don't forget receipts were produced for all the flight training.

a reply to: samkent

I did, but I have a guy with 46 years of pilot experience right here. Why wouldn't I just ask him? I was just asking him to explain his response to me. Just trying to learn from someone who knows more about it than me.

a reply to: RomanMaroni

The 9/11 hijackers would have been well aware on how to punch in the required numbers on the Control Display Unit CDU of the B-767 and the B-757 to navigate their way to the vicinity of their targets. Once again, it is a simple task.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Me: .... could you tell me what VOR frequencies are and what is FMS? And despite shutting everything down inside the plane, do they still work the same?

Why would you reply to me but not answer these questions?

You say they "would have been well aware on how to punch in the required numbers on the Control Display Unit CDU of the B-767 and the B-757 to navigate their way to the vicinity of their targets" ... what is that process?

Also samkent, I may have misunderstood your use of "you" in your response. Your reply to my comment seems plausible.

a reply to: RomanMaroni

In reference to this country and VORs only, the United States is dotted with VOR stations that pilots use for navigation purposes. There are other means to navigate, but I want to focus on VORs. VOR stands for VHF Omni Directional Radio Range and has a VHF frequency range from 108 to 117. Think of VOR stations as stepping stones to get from Point "A" to Point "B". Let's say that you want to go from Point "A" to Point "B" and there are two stepping stones (VOR stations) between those two points with stepping stone #3 being your destination. Let's use color schemes for each stepping stone as frequency references for each stepping stone. For an example, stepping stone #1 is represented by the color red and its frequency is, for the sake of argument, 112.00 MHz. Stepping stone #2 is represented by the color orange, and its frequency is 113.00 MHz, and stepping stone #3 is represented by the color blue and its frequency is 115.00 MHz. To keep it simple, you can use the CDU to punch in the frequency for each stepping stone. A CDU basically looks something like a large complicated calculator to some folks. You add two stepping stone frequencies to the CDU, so now, you takeoff and needle #1 points to stepping stone #1 (VOR #1), and you follow needle #1 to the first stepping stone (VOR #1). After passing stepping stone #1, needle #1 will reverse itself and continue to point back toward stepping stone #1, whereas, needle #2 begins to point to stepping stone #2 (VOR #2), and you follow that needle to stepping stone #2 (VOR #2). In the mean time, you reset the frequency for stepping stone #3 (Destination), which will now be represented by needle #1. After passing stepping stone #2, needle #2 reverses itself and points back to stepping stone #2 (VOR #2). After acquiring stepping stone #3 (destination), needle #1 will then point to your final destination. If you use airport codes, it would be just as easy. If you want to get technical, you can also punch in latitude and longitude numbers on the CDU. It is just a matter of following stepping stones to get where you want to go and the 9/11 hijackers had more than enough training to get from Point "A" and Point "B" with no problem. Things can really get complicated if you are flying Instrument Flight Rules (IFR), but the 9/11 hijackers would never have tried to do so anyway since they didn't have any intention of following the rules in controlled airspace above FL180 nor follow airspeed retsrictions below 10,000 feet.

If you want to know who I am, you can find me in the news on the Internet since I am firmly entrenched in the world of aviation, which includes the U.S. Air Force and civil aviation as well. Not to mention that I have led aviation-related chapters whose members include military and commercial pilots, private pilots, Instructor pilots, student pilots, sport pilots, military officers and civilian personnel, military and DoD civilian retirees.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Thanks. In deducting from your response, this is something that doesn't rely on any computerization, correct?

I guess it was always puzzling to me because the planes seemed to kind of disappear from radar. So my assumption was if they were using some kind of navigation, how would they be off the radar? But if you are saying this is just a matter of checking needles, I can understand that.

My questions and suspicions with the OS has always been with the hijackers themselves. Who they were and why they were able to operate so freely. Plus, unexplained reports of white jets at each location. The unexplained jets along with the precise flight path always made me think of possible remote hijacking. But if you as a man of 46 years of experience says there's nothing suspicious about the direct routes, and it's something that a child could do, then I have to believe you.

a reply to: RomanMaroni

Thanks. In deducting from your response, this is something that doesn't rely on any computerization, correct?

you are welcome!

My questions and suspicions with the OS has always been with the hijackers themselves. Who they were and why they were able to operate so freely

The FBI. CIA, and even the FAA, were responsible for dropping the ball on the 9/11 hijackers. In fact, the CIA lost track of two of the terrorist in Malaysia, and were unaware that the terrorist went to Thailand. Their blunders are nothing new and we can go back to time before the Pearl Harbor attack where FBI head, J. Edgar Hoover, dismissed warnings of an impeding Japanese attack, that is until December 7, 1941, and the rest became history.

We can take a look here at the admissions of the CIA and the FBI.

9/11 commission faults U.S. intelligence

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. intelligence gathering was fragmented and poorly coordinated before the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the 9/11 commission reported Wednesday, adding that it remains unclear how such crucial information is managed.

The report, examining the performance of the intelligence community, described a "loose collection" of intelligence agencies that often operated independently of one another with little communication or cooperation. And it faulted CIA Director George Tenet for not having a management strategy to battle terrorism before the 9/11 attacks.

www.cnn.com...


9/11: Three Major Mistakes

The CIA's chief legal officer from 2001-2009 reflects on what we did wrong—and on the lessons we've learned.


Tenet admits 'mistakes'

WASHINGTON The director of central intelligence, George Tenet, testified Wednesday that the threat posed by Al Qaeda was passed along to senior policy makers in mid-2001, ‘‘even if the timing and method of attacks were not.’’

Tenet’s testimony before the panel was followed a few hours later by an abrupt reversal in which he corrected himself. The director had told one panel member, Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman from Indiana, that while other CIA personnel had briefed President George W. Bush during summer 2001, he himself did not talk to the president that month.

But Wednesday afternoon, a CIA official said the director had been mis taken and had indeed briefed Bush that month, at his ranch in Texas on Aug. 17 and in Washington on Aug. 3. Nothing out of the ordinary was talked about, the official who corrected Tenet said. The month of August 2001 is significant, since it was then that Bush received a controversial briefing prepared by the CIA on domestic threats posed by Al Qaeda to the United States.

www.worldsecuritynetwork.com...


CIA admits 9/11 mistakes

Washington - CIA director George Tenet told the official inquiry into the September 11 attacks that US intelligence agencies had "made mistakes" before the devastating strikes.

"We made mistakes," he said in public, sworn testimony to the commission investigating the 2001 attacks that killed 3 000 people.

"The intelligence community had the right strategy and was making the right investments to position itself for the future against al-Qaeda," the head of the Central Intelligence Agency said.

"While we positioned ourselves very well with extensive human and technical penetrations, to facilitate the take-down of the Afghan sanctuary, we did not discern the specific nature of the plot," he said.

"Our failure to watch terrorists in a timely manner or the FBI's inability to find them in the narrow window at the time afforded them showed systemic weaknesses and the lack of redundancy."

Tenet, 51, became the CIA boss in 1997 under president Bill Clinton and kept the post under President George W Bush's administration.

www.news24.com...


C.I.A. Lays Out Errors It Made Before Sept. 11

WASHINGTON, Aug. 21 — A report released Tuesday by the Central Intelligence Agency includes new details of the agency’s missteps before the Sept. 11 attacks, outlining what the report says were failures to grasp the role being played by the terror mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and to assess fully the threats streaming into the C.I.A. in the summer of 2001.

www.nytimes.com...


Clues Alerted White House to Potential Attacks

Based on its own intelligence, the Israeli government provided "general" information to the United States in the second week of August that an Al Qaeda attack was imminent.

– French intelligence echoed the "general" information in the final week of August.

– Russian President Vladimir Putin has said publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the United States last summer that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets.

– Millennium bomber Ahmad Ressam testified in closed and open court trials relating to his Dec. 1999 arrest for trying to bring bomb-making materials across the Canadian border that attack plans, including hijackings and attacks on New York City targets, were ongoing.

www.foxnews.com...


FAA MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11

Despite a congressional panel investigating potential intelligence failures leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks releasing a report today that points to mistakes made by the CIA and FBI, an aviation security consultant says it is the Federal Aviation Administration that should take most of the blame for the tragedy.


Pre-9/11 Missteps By FBI Detailed

The inability to detect the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacking plot amounts to a "significant failure" by the FBI and was caused in large part by "widespread and longstanding deficiencies" in the way the agency handled terrorism and intelligence cases, according to a report released yesterday.

www.washingtonpost.com...

From Bush, Rice, on down the line, we can blamed them for dropping the 9/11 warning ball.

a reply to: RomanMaroni

...Plus, unexplained reports of white jets at each location.

The 'white Jet'" pertains to the crash site of United 93. There were reports that it had something to do with the downing of United 93, but let's take a look at the rest of the story.

The White Jet

There was such a jet in the vicinity—a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft."—not 34,000 ft.

"They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it.

They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.

www.popularmechanics.com...

Conspiracy theorist continued to spread disinformation about that 'white jet" even though it was determined the jet had nothing to do with the United 93 incident.

But if you as a man of 46 years of experience says there's nothing suspicious about the direct routes, and it's something that a child could do, then I have to believe you.

My two chapters will be flying children this Saturday, as we do every third Saturday of the month from March to November. On another note, take a look at these two videos. You can see the CDUs as well.

a reply to: skyeagle409

To me saying they dropped the ball isn't accurate. That was a cop out so they didn't get too into what was really going on. You mention how the CIA lost track of the hijackers in Thailand, but reality tells a different tale.

Late '99, the Saudis add 2 9/11 hijackers to their watch list & inform the CIA. The 2 hijackers are Alhazmi & Almihdhar. The Saudi Intelligence minister tells the CIA these 2 are Al-Queda, involved in the '98 Embassy bombings & attempted to smuggle arms into the UK. It should be noted the CIA denies it was alerted, but coincidentally start tracking them at this time. They aren't watchlisted despite the CIA stressing to agents to share all info & put anyone with "reasonable suspicion" on the list. In December '99 these 2 attend Al-Qaeda summit in Malaysia but still aren't watch listed. Both these men have US passports & 50-60 CIA agents are notified that they are traveling. One report says Alhazmi is in the US. The FBI isn't notified & no watch list update. 8 CIA offices were notified of the summit. The CIA was running an operation to track Al-Queda at the airport in Dubai. UAE officials make a copy of Almihdhar's passport & fax it to the CIA's Bin Laden Unit. The CIA learns his full name & discovers he has a multiple entry visa to the US through April 2000. Not watch listed. The summit was for 4 days but the CIA only video tapes the first day & only tapes operatives arriving. Still they are able to get Alzhazmi, Almihdhar, & Bojinka plotter Hambali on video. Hambali was already known to the CIA as a Bojinka plotter. A CIA officer known only as James, knows about Almihdhar's US visa & twice briefs FBI officials about the summit but fails to mention the visa. He also fails to talk to the right people & briefs FBI agents who are not contact points for CIA. "James" also writes an email to several CIA officials that says, "Thus far, a lot of suspicious activity has been observed [in Malaysia] but nothing that would indicate evidence of an impending attack or criminal enterprise. [I told the first FBI agent] that as soon as something concrete is developed leading us to the criminal arena or to known FBI cases, we will immediately bring FBI into the loop. Like [the first FBI agent] yesterday, [the second FBI agent] stated that this was a fine approach and thanked me for keeping him in the loop.” After 9/11, "James" refuses to talk to DOJ Inspector General, but does tell the CIA's inspector general he has no recollection of any of this.

After the summit, CIA BinLaden Unit chief Richard Blee didn't do an intelligence report to be shared in the intelligence community. The summit was so important Blee had to repeatedly brief CIA leadership & that information was passed on to National Security Advisor Sandy Berger & FBI director Louis Freeh. It's because of this failure to do a report, Almihdhar & Alhazmi are able to "disappear" to Thailand later.

The CIA then fails to act on calls that link the Malaysian summit to the Cole bombings and the 9/11 Hijackers hotel. The calls are to/from a payphone outside of the summit, The Washington Hotel in Bangkok where 2 Al-Qaeda operatives involved in the Cole bombing are staying (will later be joined by 9/11 hijackers Alhazmi & Almihdhar), & Fahad Al-Quso's house in Yemen. Ai-Quoso was a top Al-Qaeda operative, & was supposed to videotape the Cole bombing. However, he "overslept" despite numerous calls to his cell phone all the way up until the bombing.

Jan 5 '00 Doug Miller, FBI agent assigned to the CIA Bin Laden Unit, gets a cable saying 9/11 hijacker Almihdhar has a US visa. He drafts a cable to inform the FBI. The cable says Almihdhar has a US visa, planned to stay in NY for 3 mos, the links between his phone & the '98 African Embassy bombings. states the CIA has pictures of Almihdhar, & he will send the pictures separately. CIA Bin Laden Unit Deputy Chief, Tom Wilshire, blocks the cable and says it's not a matter for the FBI. An Al-Qaeda terrorist was heading to the US, but CIA deputy Chief says it's not a matter for the FBI. Then the CIA sends out a cable to its agents saying the information had been shared with the FBI. Then, it's routine practice to follow up and make sure the FBI received the info. No follow up was done.

When Almihdhar and Alhazmi "disappear" into Thailand, the CIA is notified they are en route. They only know of one of the passengers as Alhazmi. They know Almihdhar has an associate name Nawaf, but fails to put the names together which would have at least led to him being watch listed. The CIA monitoring the summit, knows of a person by the first name Nawaf and one by the last name Alhazmi but just couldn't "connect the dots" Richard Blee goes on to lie to his superiors and say they were continuing the Malaysia monitoring when in fact these men had already gone to Thailand. Blee says he wasn't aware they had left Malaysia. The CIA was fully aware they were in Thailand alerting the CIA there these men were coming. The CIA then says they were unable to locate them in Thailand. Despite being at the very hotel the CIA was monitoring from Malaysia.

Weird, huh?

a reply to: RomanMaroni

Amazingly, intelligence blunders continued even after 9/11 before they finally got a handle on things. One of their well-known blunder occurred in Afghanistan that cost the lives of some CIA agents.

The unexplained jets along with the precise flight path always made me think of possible remote hijacking.

I wanted to add to that because it was not possible to modify those aircraft to fly under remote control, especially since only a certain number of the B-767-200 and B-757-200 series aircraft were built and American Airlines and United Airlines would not have grounded their aircraft to have them modified illegally to fly under remote control.

Acquiring such aircraft would have left a paper trail from Washington State to Washington D.C. and on to Europe, which would have led back to the people who acquired the aircraft. Each engine has its own recorded history along with the APUs and other time-sensitive line replacement items that can also be tracked.

In addition, there was no way to switch those aircraft either without drawing attention to themselves and it would take me less than 30 minutes to reveal a switched aircraft because it is that simple. it wouldn't take much for me to start pulling airframe, engine, APU history records after retrieving part and serial numbers at the crash sites, which would eventually lead back to service, fuel, and maintenance records. Let's take a look here on the airframe of United 175.

United 175 FAA Registration

To sum it up, no one in their right mind would have tried to use such aircraft in the manner we saw during the 9/11 attack unless they wanted to get caught within the first month of the incident simply because of the many paper trails would have led back to the.people involved.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Is that your best response to what I have just informed you of? You said "the CIA lost track of two of the terrorist in Malaysia" and I just showed you that isn't true yet you still have the same conclusion you did prior to knowing that.

The story of Alhazmi & Almihdhar goes much deeper than this. I'm just using a tip of the iceberg to show you that your belief may be flawed. I don't want to get into the white jets (but you're wrong) because the can of worms you opened by mentioning losing the hijackers in Malaysia is paramount in my opinion. Alhazmi & Almihdhar apparently got lost by staying at a hotel being monitored by the CIA. They were staying with the perpetrators of the USS Cole attack. The CIA was monitoring the summit in Malaysia where the Cole attack was apparently authorized, and the hotel in Thailand where the perpetrators of that attack were staying. The CIA was notified Alhazmi & Almihdhar are heading to Thailand yet they "lose them" despite staying in the same hotel they are monitoring? Then after the Malaysian summit, CIA BinLaden Unit chief Richard Blee didn't do a standard intelligence report to be shared in the intelligence community. It's because he didn't do this standard report that they are able to "disappear." Then Richard Blee lies to his superiors and said they were continuing to monitor Alhazmi & Almihdar in Malaysia when in fact these men had already gone to Thailand.

You just dismiss this as "intelligence blunders"? Talking about blunders in Afghanistan is changing the subject.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: IwillbeHONEST

Buildings don't smash through themselves without an accelerant.

You might want to take a look at this. Verinage Demolition Method; No Explosives Required.

Nice try.

You are using controlled demolition to disprove controlled demolition. You didn't think this through much did you?

In the Verinage Demolition Method, all vertical supports on the middle floors are caused to fail at the same time in order to cause a symmetrical collapse.

Now why would they do this on the middle floors? The downward force of the top section of the building is equal to the upward force of the lower section of the building (this is high school physics). So the top section crumbles at the same rate as the bottom section. This destruction decelerates because of the opposing forces, and there is no force left when both sections are destroyed, which can clearly be seen in your footage.

The destruction of WTC 1 and 2 was completely different. The top sections were only roughly 10-20% of the entire buildings. If this had been Verinage Demolition (and it wasn't), only 10-20% of the lower sections would have been destroyed, and there would be no force left to destroy the remaining 80-90% of the buildings.

Also, the top sections of WTC 1 and 2 actually accelerated as they fell, which means there was little to no opposing force acting on them from the bottom section. That's impossible if the bottom sections were not blown out from under the top sections.



WTC 1 and 2 were constructed with a huge inner core of 47 steel columns, which complicates the problem even further. Try this: Get an empty coke can. Put a metal rod into the middle of the can and secure it. Then step on it as hard as you can. You will notice something sticking out of the top of your foot. That should give you a basic idea.

soulwaxer

a reply to: RomanMaroni

I don't want to get into the white jets (but you're wrong)

Wrong?! Are you denying the 'white jet over the crash site of United 93 and denying that the white jet was a business jet? It is not unusual for ATC to request an aircraft to provide assistance in a time in need, and I know that from first hand experience.

You just dismiss this as "intelligence blunders"? Talking about blunders in Afghanistan is changing the subject.

It is another example of what I have been referring to in regard to the number of blunders our intelligence services committed, before, and after 9/11, which paints a picture of how they stumbled on 9/11. Such blunders are not unique solely to the United States, I might add.

a reply to: soulwaxer

Also, the top sections of WTC 1 and 2 actually accelerated as they fell, which means there was little to no opposing force acting on them from the bottom section. That's impossible if the bottom sections were not blown out from under the top sections.

Just to let you know that your video is bogus because it implies the WTC buildings fell at free fall speed, which is false. Let's take a look at the rest of the story and tell us why this photo debunks claims of free fall collapse.

No Free Fall Speed

Further proof that your video is bogus is that this video also proves that none of the WTC buildings fell at free fall speed. The fact that dust plumes and debris are outpacing the collapse of the WTC building should have told anyone that the WTC buildings were not collapsing at free fall speed and Truthers missed the boat on that fact!! Simply amazing!!



As you saw in the photo and video, none of the WTC buildings collapsed at free fall speed. Time and time again I have warned Truthers that they were posting bogus videos, which brings up this question,

Who is responsible for spreading disinformation, hoaxed and bogus videos and photos?

It seems to me that there are people who do not know what demolition explosions sound like, so let's do a comparison between the sound of real demolition implosions and the collapse of the WTC buildings.



We can go here to hear what explosives sound like as well and understand that this is not what you hear as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapses.



Nor did anyone hear this kind of sound as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed.

a reply to: skyeagle409

I told you I didn't really want to get into the white jets because that distracts from a real problem with the OS which you brought up regarding Alhazmi & Almihdhar , but I guess I will show you that you are wrong.

You said "The 'white Jet'" pertains to the crash site of United 93. There were reports that it had something to do with the downing of United 93, but let's take a look at the rest of the story." Yeah let's ....

www.youtube.com...

As for Alhazmi & Almihdhar, how many times can someone "get lucky" before it becomes deliberate? At what point does it cross the line of a "blunder" and become suspicious of more? This rabbit hole is so deep, it would probably take pages to show you. It goes all the way back to the 80's, but really gets going around 1992. I will show you, and anyone reading this, the "blunders" later, but for now I hope you watch that YouTube clip and admit there's more to the story than you assumed.

a reply to: RomanMaroni

You said "The 'white Jet'" pertains to the crash site of United 93. There were reports that it had something to do with the downing of United 93, but let's take a look at the rest of the story." Yeah let's ....

www.youtube.com...

We can take a look here, and understand that another unfounded conspiracy theory was generated over that aircraft.

On 11 September 2001, an aircraft closely resembling an E-4B was spotted and filmed orbiting the Washington D.C. area by news outlets and civilians, after the attack on the Pentagon.

In his book Black Ice, author Dan Verton identifies this aircraft as an E-4B taking part in an operational exercise, saying the exercise was canceled when the first plane struck the World Trade Center. According to air traffic control recordings and radar data, this E-4B call sign VENUS77 became airborne just before 9:44 am, circled north of the White House during its climb, and then tracked to the south of Washington DC where it held in a holding pattern.

E-4B

As for Alhazmi & Almihdhar, how many times can someone "get lucky" before it becomes deliberate? At what point does it cross the line of a "blunder" and become suspicious of more? This rabbit hole is so deep, it would probably take pages to show you. It goes all the way back to the 80's, but really gets going around 1992. I will show you, and anyone reading this, the "blunders" later, but for now I hope you watch that YouTube clip and admit there's more to the story than you assumed.

Are you referring to that video clip of the E-4B or another video?

a reply to: skyeagle409

Well, you said that my assertion to "white jets" pertained to "a white jet" near Flight 93. Then I showed you a CNN clip talking about another white jet in DC. That makes "white jets" not "white jet." Instead of realizing your error and admitting it, you just continue to roll on as if what you said was correct. It wasn't. And who is Dan Veron, and why does he get authority to tell me what no one else seems to know? Does he get access to private information about E-4B flights on 9/11? Does he have better inside sources than CNN?

But anyway, this is only side stepping major issues I am pointing out to you, and anyone else reading this thread, regarding Alhazmi & Almihdhar. My final paragraph in my previous response is an attempt to get back to your assertion that Alhazmi & Almihdhar just kind of got lost in Thailand due to "intelligence blunders." I told you I will point out the "blunders", as you put it, later. I will warn you though, these "blunders" are quite a list and will take a while to read them, but I'm sure you will just as a refresher of the information I'm sure you are already aware of.

a reply to: RomanMaroni

Well, you said that my assertion to "white jets" pertained to "a white jet" near Flight 93. Then I showed you a CNN clip talking about another white jet in DC. That makes "white jets" not "white jet." Instead of realizing your error and admitting it, you just continue to roll on as if what you said was correct. It wasn't. And who is Dan Veron, and why does he get authority to tell me what no one else seems to know? Does he get access to private information about E-4B flights on 9/11? Does he have better inside sources than CNN?

The E-4B was actually a non-issue to me because it was where it was suppose to be, but somehow, someone decided to concoct another unfounded conspiracy theory as was the case of a C-130 that was asked by ATC to look at the aircraft approaching the Pentagon, which was American 77. The fact that ATC asked the C-130 to take a look proves that American 77 was being tracked on radar despite the tampering of its transponder. There was a claim that C-130 was controlling American 77.

Not knowing the rest of the story is one good reason why unfounded conspiracy theories are hatched and the same can be said about the 9/11 hijackers. Warnings were issued on the 9/11 hijackers, but those warnings were ignored, and additionally, the FBI and the CIA failed to share intelligence on the 9/11 hijackers.

Add to the fact that warnings were flowing in from around the world, and even the CIA informed Bush, but it is apparent, that Bush and Rice didn't take the warnings seriously. After the 9/11 attack, a Philippine official became upset because the United States ignored their warnings about terrorist plans to use airliners to kill thousands of people, including a plot to attack CIA headquarters with an aircraft. Why was this warning ignored?

9/11 Attack Warning From Russia

RUSSIA: Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"

August 2001 (D): Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01]

A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks.

The mindset in the intelligence community seemed to be at the time, 'it can't happen here.'

But anyway, this is only side stepping major issues I am pointing out to you, and anyone else reading this thread, regarding Alhazmi & Almihdhar. My final paragraph in my previous response is an attempt to get back to your assertion that Alhazmi & Almihdhar just kind of got lost in Thailand due to "intelligence blunders." I told you I will point out the "blunders", as you put it, later. I will warn you though, these "blunders" are quite a list and will take a while to read them, but I'm sure you will just as a refresher of the information I'm sure you are already aware of.

The blunders are many, but I fail to see how they translate into an 9/11 inside government operation, and for what?I To attack Afghanistan? To attack Iraq? Personally, I don't see it that way, and additionally, there is no way the government could have kept its involvement a secret. After all, how long did it take before the Watergate scandal hit the news wires?

How many government officials were sent to prison over Watergate? After 14 years in a country full of investigative reporters, how many government officials were sent to prison over a 9/11 False Flag operation?