Just Wondering...

a reply to: skyeagle409



Yeah these guys have no idea what they are talking about, my bad!

Here's another one to send the 9/11 truth skeptics. Not much to argue with here. The paradigms they are a shiftin'...there will soon be a huge widening of humanity's eyes, one way or another. Get ready to surf some mighty waves! - ZenClbackus: Newly obtained video that was reluctantly released by NIST after a lawsuit by the International Center for 9/11 Studies shows two firefighters on 9/11 discussing how secondary explosions occurred immediately before the collapse of the twin towers, providing damning new evidence that explosive devices were used to bring down the buildings. Firemen discuss how bombs were going off in the lobby of WTC1 as they were staging to move up the building. They explain how the building had already been hit by the plane and fires were already burning. After two explosions in the lobby, a third went off and the whole lobby collapsed. I'm sorry 9/11 truth deniers, you now have another smoking gun that you can't deny!

a reply to: Nova937

www.zengardner.com...

Psychologists Explain 9/11 Denial

Why are people resistant to looking at the hard evidence regarding 9/11?

Marti Hopper, Ph.D (Licensed Clinical Psychologist):

At this point, we have nine years of hard scientific evidence that disproves the government theory about what happened on September 11. Yet, people continue to be either oblivious to the fact that this information exists or completely resistant to looking at this information. So, the question becomes: Why?

Why is it that people have so much trouble hearing this information? From my work, I think we would be remiss not to look at the impact of trauma…

As we know, the horrors of what happened on 9/11 were televised all over the world. They were televised, in fact, live. We witnessed the deaths of almost 3,000 of our fellow Americans. We know that this had a very severe and traumatic impact on a majority of the population. I, myself, cried for weeks after September 11.

A friend of mine, who is a psychologist in practice here in Boulder, said that her case load increased tremendously after 9/11. People who she had not seen in ten years were coming back into her practice.

So, I think it’s safe to say that collectively, as a nation, because of what happened on September 11, we experienced trauma.

9/11 Truth Conflicts with Our Worldview, Causing Cognitive Dissonance

Frances Shure, M.A. (Licensed Professional Counselor):

Why do people resist this information – the information that shows that the official story about 9/11 cannot be true? What I’ve learned is that, as humans, each of us has a world view. That worldview is usually formed, in great part, by the culture that we grow up in.

When we hear information that contradicts our worldview, social psychologists call the resulting insecurity cognitive dissonance. For example, with 9/11 we have one cognition, which is the official story of 9/11 – what our government told us, what our media repeated to us over and over – that 19 Muslims attacked us.

On the other hand, we have what scientists, researchers, architects, and engineers are now beginning to tell us, which is that there is evidence that shows that the official story cannot be true. So now, we’ve lost our sense of security. We are starting to feel vulnerable. Now we’re confused.

I completely understand why this is so hard for certain people to wrap their head around. The whole thing was just so diabolical and hurtful to the entire world, this did not just happen to America, it may have happened here, but the entire world was effected.

There is a great deal more information to read at this link, maybe it will help somebody understand better.

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree


Yeah these guys have no idea what they are talking about, my bad!

It turns out the firemen in that video were not in the lobby of one of the trade towers. They were in the lobby of the Marriot Hotel when this happened.



They mistook WTC 1 collapsing on the building they were in for an explosion. There were no explosives.


Tyrone Jackson is the fireman on the left. Check the number on his helmet he is with ladder 24.

My name is Tyrone Johnson, firefighter first grade, assigned to Ladder 24.......


Then maybe about five, ten minutes later, we were ordered to go into the Marriott Hotel. At that time the company and three other companies in front of us went inside the Marriott Hotel......

We went to the Marriott. We got inside the lobby. The chief told us take your gear off, relax, until you find out what you want us to do.
Maybe 10 or 15 minutes later he gave us the command put the gear on because we're getting ready to head upstairs. There were about three companies in front of us. We were the last company to go up the steps. Maybe about five minutes into the process of going up the steps, that's when the building collapsed on us.

graphics8.nytimes.com...

The firefighter on the right is James Duffy.

James Duffy. CHIEF CONGIUSTA: Firefighter third of
Ladder 24 of the New York City Fire Department....

We were told to report to the south tower, but the only way to get to the south tower -- you couldn't walk down Liberty Street to get into the main entrance because of the jumpers and the falling debris, so we had to go in through the corner entrance of the Marriott, which is on West and Liberty. We went in there......

over there right next to us. 22 Truck was in the lobby also. Then we were just waiting to go into the south tower. As we were waiting, we looked up and all I saw was -- I heard this huge noise, and I saw hundreds and hundreds of people running towards us. They were running out of the south tower to the Marriott, to the lobby.

We just turned. We started to like run also. We got about ten feet before getting blown across the lobby. We got blown across the lobby, just got covered with debris.

graphics8.nytimes.com...



Here is another quote from James Duffy the fireman on the right.

I cherry picked it myself. Enjoy.

Q. When either tower came down, did you have any advanced warning?

A. Oh, no. I didn't know what it was when we were inside. I didn't know the building had collapsed, actually. I thought it was a bomb. I thought a bomb had gone off. That's why I really didn't know until after.

Q. Afterwards?

A. Yeah, that that's when it came down. I wasn't expecting that. I thought it was a bomb or something that went off.

Q. Glad you made it.

A. Yeah.

Q. Thanks for the interview.

graphics8.nytimes.com...



Jimmy Grillo is the fireman in the middle.

My Story, September 11, 2001

Once we reached the doorway I thanked God that we had made it and then entered the hotel lobby. There was a sea of firefighters all waiting their turn to start heading up. We knew we had to wait a while, so we loosened our coats and put down all our gear so we wouldn't overheat. While we waited, I noticed Jimmy Grillo, a member of our company, holding a five-gallon bottle of water, filling up cups with water so we would all be properly hydrated. Standing by, just waiting for our turn, I also noticed a bank of pay phones on the lobby wall. The lieutenant and I approached the phones trying to get a working line. We had a dial tone but all the circuits were busy. I even attempted to use my cell phone to get in touch with my family, but that failed. I was concerned about how much they must be worrying about me.

It was our turn to go up.

We started heading to the stairwell when this dark, overpowering shadow started heading toward us. It seemed as if it was in slow motion. People were yelling to run. My first instinct was to run away from the shadow thinking another plane must be coming in. I made a turn toward another lobby, trying to get away from the front of the building. Then I felt this force, like being in a massive wind tunnel. Firefighters were getting tossed around like rag dolls. I found myself being blown across the floor landing into what appeared to be a closet. The South Tower was collapsing.

www.thedailybeast.com...

The three firemen in the video were in the lobby of the Marriott hotel when WTC 2 collapsed.

They never made it in to WTC1 or WTC2.

Sorry to disappoint you. No explosives.

a reply to: waypastvne

Okay, maybe, but that still does not change the narrative.



Something besides a plane hitting the 95th floor caused this lobby to look like this.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Simple... winds from the collapse. I'll post a link in a few minuets about winds from a rock fall.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

seismo.berkeley.edu...

Take a look at the 6th photo down. seismo.berkeley.edu...

This rock fall produced a wind of 174 miles an hour, no explosives involved.

The velocity of the wind in this vertical wind tunnel is also around 170 mph. this is what a 170 mph wind can do.



When the firemen said they were blown across the lobby, I have no doubt that they were.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Jet fuel poured down some of the express elevator shafts and ignited causing fireballs to blast out of the shafts at various floors - the lobby was one of floors worse hit

Erik O. Ronningen: The main lobby was a shambles. Chandeliers down; the marble walls in broken piles on the floor; the giant directional signage dangling from the ceilings; all the windows broken, the revolving doors broken and off kilter and the elevator doors all blown out. We walked through water pouring out of the ceiling like Niagara Falls, and sloshed through the darkened Mall in shin-deep water.

Firefighter John Morabito of ladder 10, which is just 200 yards from the north tower.

“Just inside the front entrance, Morabito found two victims of the fireball. A man, already dead, was pushed against a wall, his clothes gone, his eyeglasses blackened, his tongue lying on the floor next to him. The other was a woman, with no clothes, her hair burned off, her eyes sealed.

“The woman, she sat up. I’m yelling to her, ‘Don’t worry, we’re going to help you,’” Morabito said. “She sat up and was trying to talk, but her throat had closed up. She died right there.

Dave Bobbitt, Port Authority Operations

"It was quite hectic, and we did what we could to stay in contact with the elevator passengers while helping to direct other people out of the building and direct firemen to the stairs and the elevators," Bobbitt remarked. "When entering the North Tower, we saw the marble on the walls was severely cracked, and Riccardelli told everyone to stay back from the walls. Don (Parente) noticed that the doors of elevators number 6 and 7 had been blown out."

Lets see - witnesses describing windows blown out, walls cracked, elevator doors blown off, people dead in lobby

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Something besides a plane hitting the 95th floor caused this lobby to look like this.

Compressed air did that and you can do your own demonstration and all you need is a syringe, or, you can take a look at this photo and notice squibs of compressed air being forced from the building as it collapses and understand the squibs are not the result of explosives.

Building Collapse Compresses Air

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a reply to: Nova937

All it took was for jet fuel to get things started and the rest is history. And of course, the temperatures of the fires in WTC 1, WT 2 and WTC 7 were high enough to weaken steel.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

You need to understand that there were no demolition explosions as the WTC buildings collapsed. Firefighters later cleared things up when they attributed the sounds they heard to things that had nothing to do with demolition explosives, and I even posted a few of their comments as well that dismissed demolition explosives.

This is another example of Truthers failing to do their homework properly and as a result, they concocted another unfounded conspiracy theory that has been debunked.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Nova937

All it took was for jet fuel to get things started and the rest is history. And of course, the temperatures of the fires in WTC 1, WT 2 and WTC 7 were high enough to weaken steel.

Sorry that's baloney!



See that big fireball? Bye bye fuel!

And?

a reply to: Nova937

See that big fireball? Bye bye fuel!

“A jet fuel fireball erupted upon impact and shot down at least one bank of elevators.The fireball exploded onto numerous lower floors, including the 77th and 22nd; the West Street lobby level; and the B4 level, four stories below ground.

About 1/3 of the fuel was burned off in the initial fireball

1/3 went into the elevator shafts and ignited

rest was sprayed through building setting fire to combustible materials

a reply to: firerescue

Did that create explosions in the basement areas?



This one is a wee bit longer!



Jet fuel you say? Not a chance in hell!

I will ask this then. If Jet Fuel was the catalyst for extreme fires and heat in WTC 1 and 2 then what happened to WTC 7? Spilled jet fuel?

Come on!!!

I believe most of the people still defending the OS are just being
bullheaded at this point. Only pride could look so ignorant.

a reply to: Nova937

Sorry that's baloney!

What is baloney was the hoaxed video you had posted yesterday, which was the same hoaxed video I posted to prove my point that Truthers have been posting hoaxed videos.

Thanks for proving my point that Truthers have been posted hoaxed videos and photos. Sometimes, the best way to discredit the Truth Movement is to let them do it themselves.

a reply to: randyvs

I believe most of the people still defending the OS are just being
bullheaded at this point. Only pride could look so ignorant.

Actually, the claims of the Truth Movement ares ignorant-based. Case in point.

Truth Movement claim: Explosives were used to demolish WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7.

Fact: Not one video depicts demolition explosions as the WTC buildings collapsed. That is why Truthers are afraid to take on my challenge to post video time lines depicting demolition explosions in those videos as the WTC buildings collapse.

That is indicative of how other Truther claims have been successfully debunked. Facts and evidence have been used to debunk every Truther claim, including the claim of no wreckage at Shanksville, where over 90% of wreckage of United 93 was recovered.

a reply to: skyeagle409

It's not a hoaxed video. Shills throwing off the truth seekers said it was hoaxed. Look at the video properly. You will see it is not a mirror image video and you will see it's not what you want to believe it to be!

Anyone that believes that WTC-7 was not demolished using explosives is just plain dumb. Sorry to say it that way but it's too obvious!

a reply to: Nova937

Just to let you know that your videos are as silly as the hoaxed video you posted yesterday.

Another question for you. Why did you post another video about explosions when firefighters attributed the sounds they heard to things that had nothing to do with demolition explosives?

Craig Carlsen said that he and other firefighters “heard explosions coming from . . . the south tower

...there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.

Nothing there about demolition explosives.

a reply to: skyeagle409

I realized I had to repeat myself as others and not just them said exactly the same old story!

EXPLOSIONS!!!!!!!

I agree. Why would they all say the same thing?

Strange!