Nazi America and the current Genocide

(Please keep this one civil)

All you see on the news is reports of Iraqi civillians being killed. There are claims of America being a new Nazi like state. This is especially believed by some certain individuals. Now let me ask a question to the ones who believe this. Is it just American bullets flying in the cities? Is it just American Bombs blowing up cars? So how is it Genocide when Terroists fighting the United States occupation, kill Iraqis who are trying to help get Iraq on its feet. These terroists kill Iraqi civillians openly. The deaths of these innocent Iraqis is not an accident. It is open and known that these terroists kill them. They are not even caught in the crossfire in some cases. The Iraqi people are targeted by the Terrorists, So how is it America's fault that this happens. How can you even consider America is exterminating the Iraqi population, when Saddam killed more of his own people.

Respond, and please be civil.

whats is the question exactly? im sure most people are aware of the iraqi insurgency killing their own people, but id say that america has killed more innocent civillians then 'terrorists'

The question is, IS it not just the United States Military who kill Iraqi civillians?

Basically I am trying to get people on the site to refrain from calling this Genocide, and the United States Government Nazi.

And plus how can you be sure that terroists havent killed more of their own people. Did some one take the time to examine all the bodies, and determine if it the bullet/s came from an American weapon.

And for the record we are discussing after Bush declared the War was over.

[edit on 28-12-2004 by Believe]

[edit on 28-12-2004 by Believe]

I dont think anyone is saying its just the americans doing all the killing,
'terrorists' are doing alot of killing also.
I do object to calling americans nazi, people shouldnt blame the american people for iraq war... they should blame the bush adminstration... to be honest i couldnt express my disgust for bush without getting censored so i'll leave it there.

There will always be casualties in war, history can prove that to be a given.

My theory is,

The majority of innocent Iraqi civilians who are being killed by road side bombing, suicide attacks, small arms fire etc. are basically in the wrong place at the wrong time, regarding the insurgents/terrorists attacks and why they appear to be killing Iraqi's.

Most of the innocent Iraqi's who are dying due to "terrorist attacks" are vicitims of close proximity to American interests, rebuilding efforts, or Iraqi police/security etc.

I mean they're taking up our presidents challenge regarding terrorism when he said "well I say, bring em on!"

Fabulous huh..

Sadam killed more of his own people with massive US funding and support, now all of the sudden he's the bad guy, I think we need to look in the mirror!!!!

Just a sidenote to all of this. NPR reported that allied casualties due to friendly fire were at around 30%... I'm not sure if this helps or hinders anyone's arguement.

Personally, I think that Bush made an extremely poor choice in attacking Iraq, but I must also concede that I am not the President, I am not a member of the Pentagon, nor am I in any branch of military intelligence. For all we know, there might have been a very good reason which has yet to be revealed, that has nothing to do with oil or a vendetta. Now I seriously doubt that there was a good reason, but I leave myself open to the possibility that I am wrong.

As for our troops, I support them. I feel sorry for them having to go under the command of morons like Bush and Rumsfeld, but I am proud of them for upholding their oath. The military does not train its troops to be free thinkers and doubters. If that was the case, it would be chaos. I think people that criticize our troops for not jumping ship and leaving the military have no real concept of war. So bravo to our troops for sticking it out, even in a situation where most people would bail.

However, I also applaud the few troops who have stood up for their beliefs, like the guy who claimed the war was illegal. They will have to suffer their punishment, because despite whether or not they are right, they did break military law, but nevertheless, bravo to them for standing up for what they believe is right. That doesn't make them a good soldier, but it does make them a good citizen.

I can't stand it when I hear people refer to our government as a Nazi state. It especially infuriates me when I hear an American say it. It's one thing to have someone who doesn't enjoy the benefits of an American life, and who gets a very slanted viewpoint of us by their press. It's another thing when the person speaking gets to enjoy all the rights and benefits of being an American citizen, and then turns around and defecates on our flag. As an American, it's their right to do it and say it, but it is also my right to be offended at their actions, and I hope that someday they grow up, or move out.

To the Iraqis, assuming any even read this board, I apologize for the actions of my President. I did not elect him, and I disagree with his actions. No one wants your country. If it's all the same to you, I'm sure everyone would rather leave you be and get on with life. However, you keep shooting and bombing places, so we have to stay longer to try and sort out the mess. If you stop, I'm pretty sure we'd stop shooting back, then we can finish rebuilding the stuff we blew up, and we'll get out of the country.

To the other countries, what can I say that I haven't already said. Just try to keep in mind that around half of us can't stand Bush either, and wish he were out of office right here and now.

Finally to the claims of genocide, I say this: The Iraq War is not genocide. Homicide, perhaps, but not genocide. We are not rounding up all Iraqis, putting them in death camps, and gassing them. We aren't going in and burning entire villages and shooting anyone who flees a burning building. We aren't releasing cannisters of nerve gas or sewing their fields with salt. I can guarentee you the resources and technology exist, that if we were going to commit genocide on anyone, there would be absolutely no question about it. People die in war. That's War. It sucks, and no one likes it except politicians. But if you start mistaking war for genocide, you're in for a very stressful and ignorant life.

As far as those calling the US troops/administration Nazis, see Godwin's Law

Source - c2.com...

Godwin's Law /prov./ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups.

Jack

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Originally posted by Believe


Basically I am trying to get people on the site to refrain from calling this Genocide, and the United States Government Nazi.

Yes well the USG is Nazi in many respects
It is responsible for staging terror attacks and blaming them on identified groups and governments
It imprisons people without charge and tortures them
It invades countries without provocation or direct threat, destroys the infrastructure and seizes assets
It passes laws against its own population which potentially rescind the rights enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and potentially makes anybody liable to arrest and torture
It is clearly leading a path of global US corporate hegemony with all obstructions labelled terrorist
It is racist, and the clear present chosen target is Islam
The German Nazis faced much armed resistance
So yes, the USG is clearly Nazi, though without some of the historic trappings
The USGs geopolitical aims are clearly genocidal
The war machine kills targeted civilians, kills without regard for the extent or ennumeration of the losses, relentlessly slaughters for power and profit
The use of sanctions against Iraq causing up to a million extra deaths
The use of Depleted Uranium twice in a 12 year period causing carcinogenic effects and teratogenic effects amongst millions
The extent of the USG's involvement in genocide is subject to a long debate, just to say here that policy occurs according to Kissinger's declaration against 'useless eaters' that the state was founded upon genoci9de


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"It passes laws against its own population which potentially rescind the rights enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and potentially makes anybody liable to arrest and torture"
Guess my power went out when they announcd that one. I have no knowledge of such a law, maybe you could provide a link.


"The use of sanctions against Iraq causing up to a million extra deaths"
And if Saddams WMD were being rebuilt, and he launched one, opinion would be different.

"It imprisons people without charge and tortures them"
When you make accusations, please cite examples. If its your theory, say it.

"So yes, the USG is clearly Nazi, though without some of the historic trappings"
Yes we are not German. We are not the National Socialist German Workers party. I don't care if you want to label us, It's an insult to are ancestors, as it is yours dh. American and British forces fought and died to protect the world, and rid the world of evil.

"It is racist, and the clear present chosen target is Islam"
OF course it is! How would you feel if some f***ing Arab drove a plane into one of your commercial buildings. Then on the news you see all the f***ing Arabs dancing and celebrating, burning your flag.

"The USGs geopolitical aims are clearly genocidal"
IF you want to say the USGs politcal aims is genocide, then so is the governments of the country that stand and fight with us.


And to Are allies, Thankyou for sticking with the U.S. in a very unpopular war.
To all fighting men and women overseas, I thankyou for serving your country, so I can sit back and not worry about foriegn threats. I do not worry because we have a hell of a fighting force, with great spirit.

Originally posted by Mr Lukas
whats is the question exactly? im sure most people are aware of the iraqi insurgency killing their own people, but id say that america has killed more innocent civillians then 'terrorists'

Indeed there was an invasion and war. THe difference is that the US didn't target civilians. How many germans did the allies kill in wwii?? Would you saying the allies were commiting a holocaust, that the allies were nazis?

syntaxer
fire etc. are basically in the wrong place at the wrong time, regarding the insurgents/terrorists attacks and why they appear to be killing Iraqi's.

Yeah, wrong place wrong time, like in a mosque at prayer time right? Or a market during market time?

jak
As far as those calling the US troops/administration Nazis, see Godwin's Law

An oft over looked rule, and generally true. If you can't explain why some one or some thing is wrong, bad, or shouldn't be done, if you have no real arguement to support your ideas, you can allways slander the opposition by associating them or it with the nazis, universally agreed upon as being evil (and I don't dispute that).