New Horizons space probe suffers glitch on approach to Pluto

originally posted by: igor_ats

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse

The probe has travelled sucessfully all the 3 billion miles to Pluto and then suffers a "glitch" just as it gets near enough to get proper data and pics?

But yet you have ppl who will defend/damage control this and NASA is the good guy, deny ignorance, give them the benefit of the doubt no matter what etc.

When it comes to hoaglandish scenarios of secret planetary probes and deliberate blinding, the track record of conspiracy-fail-talk is pretty unbrokenly bogus.

When it comes to NASA covering up its own management mistakes for real failures, it's a decidedly 'mixed bag'. I'm still proud of the official NASA press release calling my theories of their Mars fleet debacle in 1999 'wacko', since in the end my account of White house induced gross management incompetence was far closer to the truth than their happy-talk press releases.

This time around, I know the guys/gals on the team, they are solid 'space nuts', and they are within days of fulfilling a decades-long life-steering dream, so no, I don't expect hanky-panky.

Panic over, it's back on track

There are at least 2 threads on the Pluto mission, the other on the mysterious dark spots. I am going to reference my last post on there, since there is duality in these threads.

Mongoose V processors

and really not yet "Back on Track", but close.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I know that you're right about this and unfortunately it just happened to be just before the finish line.
I also understand that when this scenario would happen they were smart enough the build a rescue backup plan as they did.

And they also knew all the risks and criticism by the public, media and companies that worked on this project.
I know we have to trust their professionalism within this program. And it's sad that happens to be right now after the Dawn mission that the spacecraft after so many miles got this error.

I know there will be many opportunities to fix this and that will go on with the mission.
Let's hope that we will see our farthest planet soon with all the still exiting reports we already have to come online and show us this very interesting planet...

Give NASA a break. They need at least a two day feed delay to clean up the stream for public viewing. It's hard to find a punctual CGI airbrusher.

I see two choices.

Believe NASA lies and covers up everything. Support Ted Cruz and his desire to control NASA. Maybe his is the new public face of the cover up.

Believe space exploration is hard and the people at NASA are getting information we would never have from Earth based observation despite the difficulties and Murphy's Law kicking in often.

originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: TrueBrit

I know that you're right about this and unfortunately it just happened to be just before the finish line.

A space probe does more stuff just prior to the finish line, so it is not coincidental that more faults are found at that time. It's just like the reason for most plane crashes occurring during takeoff or landing, even though those are only a small part of the entire flight, time-wise.

In this case it was a timing flaw in the spacecraft command sequence that occurred during an operation to prepare for the close flyby. Those kind of flaws weren't found on the 9-year cruise to Pluto, because that command sequence had no reason to be in effect until now.

originally posted by: roadgravel
I see two choices.

Believe NASA lies and covers up everything. Support Ted Cruz and his desire to control NASA. Maybe his is the new public face of the cover up.

Believe space exploration is hard and the people at NASA are getting information we would never have from Earth based observation despite the difficulties and Murphy's Law kicking in often.

Without a doubt, # happens.

It's just with NASA's track record of convenient blackouts, abundance of image artifacts, feigned ineptitude, coupled with lack of preparedness, it's hard to take them seriously. Once a liar......

Just remember, outside of 200,000 miles, the trickle of information from beyond is severely bottlenecked. Amateur telescope tech hasn't peaked, (no pun intended) and penciling in a day at your local civilian observatory isn't exactly amicable. All palpable attempts to circumvent these controls through civilian enterprise, ala scuttle or satellite, are ambushed and colluded by military industrial complex corps, (Vanguard, Fidelity, Google, etc) resulting in further obfuscation.

You can't rely on ESA, because they're comfortably embedded in the fold. China's JadeRabbit just teased the public with Moon images that contradict American pursuits. So are people expected just to drink the Kool-aid, compulsory?

Here's some unedited, semi-amateur images of the surface of the Moon.

www.astrosurf.com...

These images actually have contrast via natural shadows, to render scale and dimensions. Inspect each photo meticulously, using the said shadows as reference. Also see how a good number of impact craters, constellate with the unnatural anomalies, as if deliberate.

Now compare them to NASA's files. NASA and it's administration will be remembered in history as a fraud and an abomination to public progression.

originally posted by: trifecta
Give NASA a break. They need at least a two day feed delay to clean up the stream for public viewing. It's hard to find a punctual CGI airbrusher.

I almost laughed aloud at this!

I hope whatever is found we do get front row seats! Been a long mission and would be a shame not to get something more from it!

originally posted by: trifecta
Here's some unedited, semi-amateur images of the surface of the Moon.

www.astrosurf.com...

These images actually have contrast via natural shadows, to render scale and dimensions. Inspect each photo meticulously, using the said shadows as reference. Also see how a good number of impact craters, constellate with the unnatural anomalies, as if deliberate.

Now compare them to NASA's files. NASA and it's administration will be remembered in history as a fraud and an abomination to public progression.

How does the image quality of the below LROC images unfavorably compare to the ground based images in your link (which are very nice images, by the way)?







There are many LROC images that are at least as good in quality as the images you linked...PLUS the LROC images are closer up and show much more small detail. You could see a beach-ball sized object in the LROC images, but would be lucky to be able to see a medium-sized town (if one existed) in the images you linked.

Source:
LROC Image Gallery

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: trifecta
Here's some unedited, semi-amateur images of the surface of the Moon.

www.astrosurf.com...

These images actually have contrast via natural shadows, to render scale and dimensions. Inspect each photo meticulously, using the said shadows as reference. Also see how a good number of impact craters, constellate with the unnatural anomalies, as if deliberate.

Now compare them to NASA's files. NASA and it's administration will be remembered in history as a fraud and an abomination to public progression.

How does the image quality of the below LROC images unfavorably compare to the ground based images in your link (which are very nice images, by the way)?

There are many LROC images that are at least as good in quality as the images you linked...PLUS the LROC images are closer up and show much more small detail. You could see a beach-ball sized object in the LROC images, but would be lucky to be able to see a medium-sized town (if one existed) in the images you linked.

Source:
LROC Image Gallery

I've viewed all of those photos previously. I won't dispute the clarity of NASA's contemporary lunar images. The issue is strategic photography and high quality CGI. They've had plenty of time to clean things. Why are they pointing their lens at banal landscapes? Why not tackle the more controversial and suspect locales we're all too familiar with? Even if they did, it wouldn't be a herculean feat to window dress anomalies in CGI. In effect, a pointless travail until humans can transverse the stars, independent of meddling, or more civilian access to high powered eyes in the skies. Hence, the erroneous missle mining covered in black budgets.

As far as possible buildings in the link I've provided, I could pin and tac the points of interest, without too much accusation of paradolia. There are clearly ruined, structural walls, towers, palisades, roads, etc..

When I'm close to a desktop, I'll finger the edifice in question.

originally posted by: trifecta

Here's some unedited, semi-amateur images of the surface of the Moon.

www.astrosurf.com...

These images actually have contrast via natural shadows, to render scale and dimensions. Inspect each photo meticulously, using the said shadows as reference. Also see how a good number of impact craters, constellate with the unnatural anomalies, as if deliberate.

Now compare them to NASA's files. NASA and it's administration will be remembered in history as a fraud and an abomination to public progression.

Did you CHECK the scale of the amateur pictures ie resolution LRO is capable of 50 CM/PIXEL some were TAKEN at 25CM/PIXEL . Even the Hubble can only resolve objects 300ft across at the distance of the Moon.

Also many of US take pictures and have done for a long time

Members Astrophotography

You are another member trying trying to persuade others he know's a lot about a subject he CLEARLY hasn't got a clue about

a reply to: trifecta

Learn how to use this LRO Quick Map and YOU might not make yourself look silly

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: trifecta

Learn how to use this LRO Quick Map and YOU might not make yourself look silly

You're kidding me right?

First off it's 20cm/pixel. Second your rebut, sums up to presenting me a STATIC DIGITAL IMAGE VIA NASA.

I'll keep talking in your language for emphasis. DID YOU READ ANYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT CGI MODIFICATIONS? WE HAVE MAGTECH THAT CAN SEE THE ARMS ON YOUR WRIST WATCH FROM SPACE, BUT YOU'RE LIMITED TO 20CM/PIXEL ON THE SURFACE OF THE MOON? WHAT IS IT? THE INTENSITY OF THE SUN'S REFLECTION? WHAT HAPPENED? SUDDENLY TECH IS MUTAL EXCLUSIVE? WHAT'S THE EXCUSE?

Don't jump in a thread with pompous plumes of smoke, you're blowing up the community's skirt. When you have absolutely ZERO substance. You're that token mouthpiece who squeaks, "what are you an idoit? Use a spell-cheeker!".

You proven NOTHING. ALL the shadows look like uniform blobs in concert. If you're SMART enough, you'll recognize texture templates, used periodically across the surface, for fill ins. A rugrat on a Commadore 64 can do a better job texturing than NASA.

originally posted by: trifecta

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: trifecta

Learn how to use this LRO Quick Map and YOU might not make yourself look silly

You're kidding me right?

First off it's 20cm/pixel. Second your rebut, sums up to presenting me a STATIC DIGITAL IMAGE VIA NASA.

I'll keep talking in your language for emphasis. DID YOU READ ANYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT CGI MODIFICATIONS? WE HAVE MAGTECH THAT CAN SEE THE ARMS ON YOUR WRIST WATCH FROM SPACE, BUT YOU'RE LIMITED TO 20CM/PIXEL ON THE SURFACE OF THE MOON? WHAT IS IT? THE INTENSITY OF THE SUN'S REFLECTION? WHAT HAPPENED? SUDDENLY TECH IS MUTAL EXCLUSIVE? WHAT'S THE EXCUSE?

Don't jump in a thread with pompous plumes of smoke, you're blowing up the community's skirt. When you have absolutely ZERO substance. You're that token mouthpiece who squeaks, "what are you an idoit? Use a spell-cheeker!".

You proven NOTHING. ALL the shadows look like uniform blobs in concert. If you're SMART enough, you'll recognize texture templates, used periodically across the surface, for fill ins. A rugrat on a Commadore 64 can do a better job texturing than NASA.

Whats 20cm/pixel as for using amateur images to find objects on the Moon EVEN The HUBBLE can only resolve objects 300 ft across. YOU can compare images taken on the surface of the Moon using the HASSELBLAD CAMERAS and see craters and rocks that match.

No they can't see the hands of your watch from space PHYSICALLY impossible.

No they can't read your newspaper from space

35+ years of taking pictures mate not cutting and pasting BS from the net like you.

I can post on any thread I feel like!!!

Show us your so called buildings etc I need a good

a reply to: trifecta

Fist of all, the Defense Department probably doesn't want to share the latest spy satellite technology with NASA (maybe some of the older tech, but that's about it). Nor does the Defense Department want the rest of the world to know what capabilities that spy satellite technology has.

Secondly, the really close-up Google Earth images you see were you can make out your own car in your own driveway are not images taken from satellites. Those close-up birds-eye images on Google Earth are taken from conventional aircraft (airplanes, etc.), not from orbit.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
a reply to: trifecta

Fist of all, the Defense Department probably doesn't want to share the latest spy satellite technology with NASA (maybe some of the older tech, but that's about it). Nor does the Defense Department want the rest of the world to know what capabilities that spy satellite technology has.

Secondly, the really close-up Google Earth images you see were you can make out your own car in your own driveway are not images taken from satellites. Those close-up birds-eye images on Google Earth are taken from conventional aircraft (airplanes, etc.), not from orbit.

NASA is in bed with plenty of alphabet agencies. Publicly, NASA's space program is theater. $500 toilet bowls aren't always necessarily bureaucratic gorging. There's two sets of books. Without implying too much, there's only a couple of pieces of real estate left on the surface of this planet, that is totally forbidden to civilians, and even some bona fide nations. For all humans know, you could be suffering a 100 years lag in the energy and propulsion department.

PS I wasn't suggesting Google Earth as an example of microptics. I'm well aware of their antiquated service.

Google is just a straw man for some of NASA's tomfoolery. Google's compliance in censorship is just a lintel in support to the pageantry.

I'll arrive at my pod shortly, to tickle wmd2008's posturing pickle.

This thread went off-topic for a while, so to get back on topic...

Uh-oh, this doesn't look good. NASA lost numerous scientific observations due to the glitch: www.youtube.com...

Nearly 30 observations were lost due to a glitch during a system update on July 4th, 2015. NASA principal investigator Alan Stern lists the data that will not be retrieved from July 4th until July 7th. Science returns will begin again in earnest on July 7th leading up to the unprecedented July 14th fly-by of the icy dwarf. -- Glitch Will Not Affect Fly-By: goo.gl...

originally posted by: trifecta

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
a reply to: trifecta

Fist of all, the Defense Department probably doesn't want to share the latest spy satellite technology with NASA (maybe some of the older tech, but that's about it). Nor does the Defense Department want the rest of the world to know what capabilities that spy satellite technology has.

Secondly, the really close-up Google Earth images you see were you can make out your own car in your own driveway are not images taken from satellites. Those close-up birds-eye images on Google Earth are taken from conventional aircraft (airplanes, etc.), not from orbit.

NASA is in bed with plenty of alphabet agencies. Publicly, NASA's space program is theater. $500 toilet bowls aren't always necessarily bureaucratic gorging. There's two sets of books....

Just to attach more firmly to reality, that $500 toilet is a fairy tale. When you rely on such mythical fantasies to make a point, your credibility suffers.

[the story is based on an $800 toilet COVER, a detachable full shroud to cover a transport aircraft's commode to prevent septic splashout during severe flight turbulence, required by the EPA. Molded hard plastic, metal reinforced floor-bolting ring and gasket, and only 400 or so ordered. Over retelling by morons for morons, it became a 'toilet SEAT cover', then a 'toilet seat', then in your version a plain toilet. Not a shining moment for your evidence authenticity.]

Funny how I was always hearing about Ceres and it's spots in the MSM, but never heard about Pluto's anomalies.

Strange indeed.