Homosexuality Is Not A Choice

a reply to: SPECULUM

Sure, that sounds totally reliable too. Why don't you supply us with the source where you're getting those numbers if you don't mind????

I'm sure they are coming form a very credible source, that is if there is even a source at all besides your own delusional mind that is.

a reply to: SPECULUM

If there are any sexual deviants out there who are harming children, they're much more likely to be the ones who can't get their busy body noses out of other peoples business and have repressed their natural desires using religion and have now become delusional and paranoid to the point of psychosis.

You know the type I'm sure. They are the Warriors for Jesus type and the Radical Right Wing Family Values Crowd who are obsessed with what Gay People might be doing or in what ways somebody somewhere might be sinning.

Truth is, they are the ones to worry about and it's been that way throughout history. You would probably know that too if you bothered to educate yourself using something other than the Bible and your local tavern full of rednecks and racists.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SPECULUM

Sure, that sounds totally reliable too. Why don't you supply us with the source where you're getting those numbers if you don't mind????

I'm sure they are coming form a very credible source, that is if there is even a source at all besides your own delusional mind that is.

as i said

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: SPECULUM

Seriously. The DailyMail is a tabloid POS. It is literally so bad, so untrusted and such a completely worthless source of credible information it has been almost banned from this site.

Like I was trying to hint at earlier, get better sources.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SPECULUM

If there are any sexual deviants out there who are harming children, they're much more likely to be the ones who can't get their busy body noses out of other peoples business and have repressed their natural desires using religion and have now become delusional and paranoid to the point of psychosis.

You know the type I'm sure. They are the Warriors for Jesus type and the Radical Right Wing Family Values Crowd who are obsessed with what Gay People might be doing or in what ways somebody somewhere might be sinning.

Truth is, they are the ones to worry about and it's been that way throughout history. You would probably know that too if you bothered to educate yourself using something other than the Bible and your local tavern full of rednecks and racists.

They are just people from all walks of life, nothing special about them, except they have a Sexual Mental problem.

In large flaunting groups where sexual deviancy is predominant and promoted openly

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SPECULUM

Seriously. The DailyMail is a tabloid POS. It is literally so bad, so untrusted and such a completely worthless source of credible information it has been almost banned from this site.

Like I was trying to hint at earlier, get better sources.

Bla Bla Bla, Quit being purposely Naive. its not a pretty sight

a reply to: SPECULUM

Tell ya what, "Speculum", ironic name choice too btw for someone who is concerned about others sexual misconduct. You believe whatever you want and have fun fighting you're little Religious War against people you fear. The rest of us are going to become a socially cohesive army of mutual respecting adults and move forward with society and humanity to better and brighter things.

When you and the rest of the knuckle draggers finally evolve and figure out you've all been chasing your own tails, let us know. Maybe then you and the others can step out of the dark ages and join the rest of us in the light.

a reply to: mOjOm

Okee Dokee

originally posted by: SPECULUM

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: SPECULUM

Thing is with kids they are naturally more accepting to different colours sexuality and such but the adults fill their heads with hate and bigotry and fairy tales.
Nothing is going to harm these kids by having an equal fare society It is going to be better for them.
You bleat all this nonsense not realizing you are the problem not the gay folk.

Apparently you haven't been reading the polls in England that nearly 70% of the adults in certain districts desire to have sex with young children...And that's only one place willing to admit it.

Don't be Naive...Seriously

I'm trying to get my head around your argument here.
Are you trying to equate homosexuality with paedophilia?

a reply to: Pardon?
If given unrestricted opportunity....Absolutely

You still got your head around that?

originally posted by: SPECULUM
a reply to: Pardon?
If given unrestricted opportunity....Absolutely

You still got your head around that?

Thankfully no, I can't get my head around it.
And hopefully I never will.

I feel pity for you.

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: SPECULUM
a reply to: Pardon?
If given unrestricted opportunity....Absolutely

You still got your head around that?

Thankfully no, I can't get my head around it.
And hopefully I never will.

I feel pity for you.

Actually, there are some researchers who are trying to convince the rest of the scientific community that Pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, and so on. Their evidence is actually quite reasonable, so you may see Pedophilia amongst the ranks of the other recognized sexual orientations soon.

Of course, unlike SPECULUM's ridiculous implied responses, it will never be socially acceptable for a pedophile to actually have a openly-viewed and tolerated relationship with a prepubescent (in first world countries at least). Nevertheless, the next DSM may really categorize pedophilia as something more than a disorder, just like what happened to Homosexuality.

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: SPECULUM
a reply to: Pardon?
If given unrestricted opportunity....Absolutely

You still got your head around that?

Thankfully no, I can't get my head around it.
And hopefully I never will.

I feel pity for you.

Actually, there are some researchers who are trying to convince the rest of the scientific community that Pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, and so on. Their evidence is actually quite reasonable, so you may see Pedophilia amongst the ranks of the other recognized sexual orientations soon.

Really, that makes about as much sense as enjoying "snuff films" becoming a recognized sexual activity/orientation.

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: SPECULUM
a reply to: Pardon?
If given unrestricted opportunity....Absolutely

You still got your head around that?

Thankfully no, I can't get my head around it.
And hopefully I never will.

I feel pity for you.

Actually, there are some researchers who are trying to convince the rest of the scientific community that Pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, and so on. Their evidence is actually quite reasonable, so you may see Pedophilia amongst the ranks of the other recognized sexual orientations soon.

Of course, unlike SPECULUM's ridiculous implied responses, it will never be socially acceptable for a pedophile to actually have a openly-viewed and tolerated relationship with a prepubescent (in first world countries at least). Nevertheless, the next DSM may really categorize pedophilia as something more than a disorder, just like what happened to Homosexuality.

Now that I can get my head around.
But as a separate entity entirely.

But the implication that it's linked to homosexuality as suggested very strongly above by Speculate, no.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

I'm not so sure about that. There is neurological research out there that shows similar differences that homosexuality and heterosexuality have, but with the attraction of youth instead. Undoubtedly, there are many cases (perhaps even more cases) where the individual was "turned" into a pedophile through abuse or other such non-biological factors. Nevertheless, there are still cases where individuals have never been subject to environmental conditions that would mentally effect their urges, and were simply born that way.

Here's the article for more information Right Here.

Could you elaborate on your position as to why this could not be a possibility?

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: SPECULUM
a reply to: Pardon?
If given unrestricted opportunity....Absolutely

You still got your head around that?

Thankfully no, I can't get my head around it.
And hopefully I never will.

I feel pity for you.

Actually, there are some researchers who are trying to convince the rest of the scientific community that Pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, and so on. Their evidence is actually quite reasonable, so you may see Pedophilia amongst the ranks of the other recognized sexual orientations soon.

Of course, unlike SPECULUM's ridiculous implied responses, it will never be socially acceptable for a pedophile to actually have a openly-viewed and tolerated relationship with a prepubescent (in first world countries at least). Nevertheless, the next DSM may really categorize pedophilia as something more than a disorder, just like what happened to Homosexuality.

Now that I can get my head around.
But as a separate entity entirely.

But the implication that it's linked to homosexuality as suggested very strongly above by Speculate, no.

I completely agree with you

originally posted by: Ghost147
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

I'm not so sure about that. There is neurological research out there that shows similar differences that homosexuality and heterosexuality have, but with the attraction of youth instead. Undoubtedly, there are many cases (perhaps even more cases) where the individual was "turned" into a pedophile through abuse or other such non-biological factors. Nevertheless, there are still cases where individuals have never been subject to environmental conditions that would mentally effect their urges, and were simply born that way.

Here's the article for more information Right Here.

Could you elaborate on your position as to why this could not be a possibility?

Just because a biological urge exists and has a full or partial genetic basis doesn't mean it should be socially acceptable; if that argument held then the behaviors murder, robbery and torture could one day be recognized by your argument.

So it is irrelevant as to whether pedophilia has a genetic or environmental basis; unlike homosexuality it does cause harm to others, and that harm is not insignificant and is to a vulnerable portion of our community who is dependent upon our protection.

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE

originally posted by: Ghost147
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

I'm not so sure about that. There is neurological research out there that shows similar differences that homosexuality and heterosexuality have, but with the attraction of youth instead. Undoubtedly, there are many cases (perhaps even more cases) where the individual was "turned" into a pedophile through abuse or other such non-biological factors. Nevertheless, there are still cases where individuals have never been subject to environmental conditions that would mentally effect their urges, and were simply born that way.

Here's the article for more information Right Here.

Could you elaborate on your position as to why this could not be a possibility?

Just because a biological urge exists and has a full or partial genetic basis doesn't mean it should be socially acceptable; if that argument held then the behaviors murder, robbery and torture could one day be recognized by your argument.

I think you read my post wrong. I did not, and would not, suggest pedophilia be socially acceptable. However, it may be accepted by the scientific community as falling under a particular category.

In fact, in the very next paragraph that you didn't quote i literally stated "it will never be socially acceptable"

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
So it is irrelevant as to whether pedophilia has a genetic or environmental basis; unlike homosexuality it does cause harm to others, and that harm is not insignificant and is to a vulnerable portion of our community who is dependent upon our protection.

That's actually a common misconception. Pedophilia doesn't cause harm to anyone. The action of actually molesting a child does. But many (if not most) pedophiles never abuse a child.

Pedophilia is just the description of being attracted to children, it is not an action. Just as Homosexuality can simply be described as being attracted to the same gender, yet a homosexual may never actually commit to homosexual actions.

a reply to: Ghost147

Okay, I get the distinction you are making. So pedophilia could become a recognized condition, but child molestation is still a crime.

Though I still disagree about any analogy to homosexuality. Most rational people today are not saying "homosexuality" should be cured. But I can't see in the near future how any diagnosis of Pedophilia would not be concomitant with a treatment recommendation....

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a reply to: Ghost147

Okay, I get the distinction you are making. So pedophilia could become a recognized condition, but child molestation is still a crime.

Correct

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
Though I still disagree about any analogy to homosexuality. Most rational people today are not saying "homosexuality" should be cured. But I can't see in the near future how any diagnosis of Pedophilia would not be concomitant with a treatment recommendation....

I only treat the two as possible equals due strictly to them both being Sexual Orientations. Pedophilia will always be regarded as this monstrous concept, despite it's possible natural, innocently made, intrinsic, biological traits in some individuals who would never act on their compulsions.

Honestly, most pedophiles want to be "cured". In many cases (such as a childhood traumatic event), I'm sure psychological treatment could be beneficial depending on the case. However, for those that are simply born with the trait, it would likely be the equivalent success of Homosexual "conversion therapy", being effectively 0%.

I've had the opportunity of interviewing several pedophiles before, both some that have been convicted of molestation, and others who have claimed to have never, nor would never, even consider it. On both ends of the spectrum some individuals have opted for chemical castration, and at the moment that's the only thing closest to a "cure" than anything else. However, it's mainly just a suppression of sexual drive. So their attraction still exists.