Obama Dreams Of Gun Confiscation

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: spygeek

Oh, he could very definitely want it. Just because you want something doesn't mean you actually attempt it.

Evidence?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: spygeek

Oh, he could very definitely want it. Just because you want something doesn't mean you actually attempt it.

he could want it. lots of people could want it. but assumption like that is pointless. unless he takes steps toward such a thing, or at the very least discusses the possibility of it, it's just unwarranted speculation out of fear.

originally posted by: spygeek

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: spygeek

Oh, he could very definitely want it. Just because you want something doesn't mean you actually attempt it.

he could want it. lots of people could want it. but assumption like that is pointless. unless he takes steps toward such a thing, or at the very least discusses the possibility of it, it's just unwarranted speculation out of fear.

I'll have to remember this the next time the rest of you start going on about this or that GOP candidate who talks about their faith wanting to institute a theocracy.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: spygeek

Thousands of lives??

no - I don't think so.

Looking at homicide stats in Australia the graphs appear to show about 20-30 fewer homicides per annum in Australia since the early 2000's, with gun homicides droping from about 30-35% of the total to about 20%.

So maybe the buy back and law changes have "saved" 2-400 people.

Not an inconsiderable amount....but not quiet thousands!!

good spotting, an obvious exaggeration, although beside the point of the text i referenced.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

It was a seige, not a mass shooting. To be defined as a mass shooting, 5 people or more have to be killed. We had 14 mass shootings in the 18 years before the strict run regulations were enacted, but we've had zero mass shootings since.

btw, guns aren't banned here either. Most country blokes own guns and love to hunt.

I hope this does not appear confrontational Sub, I enjoy your input.

Not at all man.

I'd still like to know whether that guy obtained his shot gun legally or illegally. It seems TPTB still aren't releasing to the public how it was obtained.

He was a legal gun owner at one stage. But he'd been charged with a very serious crime and should have had his guns confiscated. Personally, I think the NSW police stuffed up and didn't take his gun from him. But that's just conjecture on my part.

. so the law didn't work then.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: buster2010

Fascism is a right wing ideology.

Yet it is a Left Wing reality.

Sure - the left wing does know fascism is real right wing ideology

You got it all backwards.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: xuenchen

The Australians had a mass murder occur when a truck driver ran into a night club.... after the gun ban.

Factually wrong - it was in 1983 - 13 years before the 1996 buyback.

Oops. Time flies when you are old.
Here is a list of mass murders in Australia.
Scroll down past Port Arthur to see how many there have been since 1996.
Crap... I told you I'm getting old.... here's the link....
link

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

It was a seige, not a mass shooting. To be defined as a mass shooting, 5 people or more have to be killed. We had 14 mass shootings in the 18 years before the strict run regulations were enacted, but we've had zero mass shootings since.

btw, guns aren't banned here either. Most country blokes own guns and love to hunt.

I hope this does not appear confrontational Sub, I enjoy your input.

Not at all man.

I'd still like to know whether that guy obtained his shot gun legally or illegally. It seems TPTB still aren't releasing to the public how it was obtained.

He was a legal gun owner at one stage. But he'd been charged with a very serious crime and should have had his guns confiscated. Personally, I think the NSW police stuffed up and didn't take his gun from him. But that's just conjecture on my part.

. so the law didn't work then.

Two people died in the Sydney siege(ETA, not including the gunman). The record of no mass shootings occurring in Australia since the buy back, still holds strong.

Your going to have to work harder than that brother, if you want to debate against basic common sense, lol.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: xuenchen

The Australians had a mass murder occur when a truck driver ran into a night club.... after the gun ban.

Factually wrong - it was in 1983 - 13 years before the 1996 buyback.

Oops. Time flies when you are old.
Here is a list of mass murders in Australia.
Scroll down past Port Arthur to see how many there have been since 1996.
Crap... I told you I'm getting old.... here's the link....
link

SO the criminals changed from firearms to hammers and arson.I wonder how many people could have been saved (especially in the case of a hammer) if one person had had a firearm ?

a reply to: Gothmog

And knives, don't forget knives.
The lady killed 8 kids with a knife.
She didn't even have to reload.

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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

It was a seige, not a mass shooting. To be defined as a mass shooting, 5 people or more have to be killed. We had 14 mass shootings in the 18 years before the strict run regulations were enacted, but we've had zero mass shootings since.

btw, guns aren't banned here either. Most country blokes own guns and love to hunt.

I hope this does not appear confrontational Sub, I enjoy your input.

Not at all man.

I'd still like to know whether that guy obtained his shot gun legally or illegally. It seems TPTB still aren't releasing to the public how it was obtained.

He was a legal gun owner at one stage. But he'd been charged with a very serious crime and should have had his guns confiscated. Personally, I think the NSW police stuffed up and didn't take his gun from him. But that's just conjecture on my part.

. so the law didn't work then.

Two people died in the Sydney siege(ETA, not including the gunman). The record of no mass shootings occurring in Australia since the buy back, still holds strong.

Your going to have to work harder than that brother, if you want to debate against basic common sense, lol.

Ah, so you simply change the definitions to suit you then.

◾Surry Hills massacre - Paul Anthony Evers killed 5 people with a 12-gauge shotgun at a public housing precinct in Surry Hills in 1990 before surrendering to police.[4]
◾Strathfield massacre - In 1991 Wade Frankum killed 7 people and wounded 6 others with a large knife and an SKS before turning the gun on himself when he realised he could not escape.
◾Central Coast Massacre - In 1992, Malcolm Baker killed 6 people and injured another with a shotgun in 1992 before being arrested by police.
◾Port Arthur massacre - In 1996, armed with two semi-automatic rifles, Martin Bryant killed 35 people around Port Arthur and wounded 21 before being caught by police the next day following an overnight siege.
◾Childers Palace Fire - In June 2000, drifter and con-artist Robert Long started a fire at the Childers Palace backpackers hostel that killed 15 people.
◾Sef Gonzales - On July 10, 2001, Sef Gonzales bludgeoned to death his sister, mother and father with a baseball bat.
◾Monash University shooting - In October 2002, Huan Yun Xiang, a student, shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five.
◾Churchill Fire - 10 confirmed deaths due to a deliberately lit fire. The fire was lit on 7 February 2009.[5]
◾Lin family murders - On July 2009, Lian Bin "Robert" Xie killed his sister, her husband and three members of their family (5 persons from the Lin family) with a hammer. The faces of the victims were so disfigured that forensics had to be used to identify them. The motivation for the family massacre were partly because Lin had criticised Xie for not having a job.
◾2011 Hectorville siege - A mass shooting that took place on Friday, April 29, 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, went on a shooting rampage, killing three people and wounding a child and two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.[6]
◾Quakers Hill Nursing Home Fire - 10 confirmed and as many as 21 people may have died as a result of a deliberately lit fire in a Quakers Hill nursing home. The fire was lit early on 18 November 2011.[7]

Disingenuous.

a reply to: xuenchen

THere are 350 Million Americans. At best -- there are 1.5 million active duty military and police. The notion that one man can confiscate anything from 300 is pure nonsense. We lack the manpower, and the C&C to initiate such an undertaking, let alone follow through. It is as nonsensical as the notion that China can "invade" the US mainland with a conventional force.

Short of divine intervention, or alien invasion, there will never be a mass confiscation of firearms in America.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

That's why his dreams will remain dreams.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Curious where you got your definition of 5 or more victims?

Never seen that before.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Curious where you got your definition of 5 or more victims?

Never seen that before.

I read the other day well researching gun regulations (in Australia) that the Government defines a mass shooting as 5 or more victims. But I can't find a link with a quick google.

But, I did find the FBI definition.

The FBI defines mass murder as murdering four or more persons during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders.

Mass Murder

So yeah, I guess in the US a mass shooting is defined as 4 or more victims.

for being a "constitutional scholar" he doesn't know much about it. On second thought maybe he heard about this right to bear arms thing on the news along with Benghazi, the Clinton emails, the IRS scandal...

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Can't be soon enough!

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

Obama gets the "fickle finger of faith" from this American. As far as gun grabbing...he can try.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Enh....close.

There is no FBI definition for mass shooting. A mass murder can be, but is not limited to, mass shootings. It would also cover a bombing, stabbing attack, driving a car into a crowd, etc.

The bureau defines mass murder and active shooter, but doesn't define mass shooting in any way. It does define the different kinds of mass killers (serial killer, spree killer, mass killer).

I realize it's mostly semantics, but semantics count from time to time.