Difference between Jehovah's witnesses and Freemasonry

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: Temudjin

Seriously???

Wow. Watch Jeopardy and get a clue.

this is gold. you sir have won the internet today

a reply to: Temudjin
Something more important for me happens in September.

a reply to: KSigMason

Something new happens for me

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: OptimusPrimeOne

I will not play with your little games elohim.

Why do you Lucifer-believers get so pissy when other people tell you that they do not believe in your made up boogeyman?

Just because you think Lucifer is real does not mean the rest of the planet does. I am not into superstitious dogma like you are, sorry.

Well, I believe in Lucifer...but I could careless if you do. I guess I'm a "Live and Let Live" type of gal.

Furthermore, I can emphatically state that my husband (a Mason) most assuredly does NOT worship Satan, Lucifer, Baal, Moloch, Baphomet, or any other ridiculous rumor that someone comes up with in regards to Freemasonry. He prays to the same God that most of you do in your own church.

originally posted by: OptimusPrimeOne

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: OptimusPrimeOne
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Yeah? And? This was covered extensively in the thread I linked.

Lucifer is not satan period so stop the BS.Satan is the serpent..

Satan is a term that was made by the Cathars to denote the Catholic Church. Being that the Old and New Testaments are conglomerates of older mystic traditions, it's important to understand simple concepts that were commonplace to philosophy and religious thought 2000-3000 years ago. Among those, the concept of the Demiurge was one of heated debate. I will leave to do your own research on the matter and form your own opinion, but know that the "Original Serpent" spoken of in the Apocryphon of John (Revelations) is in reference to the Lion Faced Serpent aka the Demiurge. The snake in the garden is a completely different concept representation.

a reply to: OptimusPrimeOne

Just so you know you might get in trouble for all the 1 line comments (I counted 12) which if I'm not mistaken is against the rules on here. I just thought I would give you a heads up

a reply to: network dude

Can we clear something up?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the Mormon church, not Jehovah's Witnesses.

The LDS church is the one that has ties to the Freemasons.

But, I have been told by former JW, current Mason that the JW also have ties to the Freemasons, though I haven't researched that myself.

originally posted by: chelsdh
a reply to: network dude

Can we clear something up?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the Mormon church, not Jehovah's Witnesses.

The LDS church is the one that has ties to the Freemasons.

But, I have been told by former JW, current Mason that the JW also have ties to the Freemasons, though I haven't researched that myself.

A former JW here who has done a little research into their background. One of the early leaders of the Witnesses was fascinated with pyramidology (sic) and the numerology associated with it during the early 20th century. That leader may or may not have had connections to Masonry conspiracy theorists at the time. Today, and for at least the past forty years that I
have had the misfortune of being associated with them, the JW's have absolutely nothing to do with Masonry, either for or against.

The OP is showing a SkunkWorks forum level of confusion and false connections. . .that actually made me giggle a little.

a reply to: zefiro

They call me Hanuman =)

If you are curious Jehovah's Witnesses are not secretive about their beliefs. They are all derived from the Bible.

You can find more about them here:

JW.ORG

The website is in over 700 languages, more than any government, or any other religion needs.

Someone said they hand out doom pamphlets. There you can find hundreds of books, magazines, tracts, and audio and video files you can download free of charge. And you will see there is no doom porn being peddled. Just free information available for the entire world about the Bible.

Freemasons do use Jehovah's name, but not in the way Jehovah's named people do.

originally posted by: chelsdh
a reply to: network dude

Can we clear something up?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the Mormon church, not Jehovah's Witnesses.

The LDS church is the one that has ties to the Freemasons.

But, I have been told by former JW, current Mason that the JW also have ties to the Freemasons, though I haven't researched that myself.

I made a mistake. You are correct, and sort of right on the second count. John Smith founded the Mormon church, he was a mason before hand, and from what has been said, he carried some aspects of freemasonry to his religion. I am not a member of either, so I have no knowledge other than what I have heard.

a reply to: zefiro
Congratulations. How long have you been free? Months? Years? Are you still Christian? Or did you leave Christianity altogether. I'm asking because this topic interests me, as a former Christian. I talk to people IRL and elsewhere about their transformation.

a reply to: Klassified
Being a "former JW" doesn't make him a former Christian. Maybe he changed denominations. Maybe he's an atheist now.

The longer I live, the more I look towards Rosicrucianism and esoteric Christianity.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: Klassified

The longer I live, the more I look towards Rosicrucianism and esoteric Christianity.

originally posted by: Domo1
Very different. Freemasonry isn't a religion. The only stipulation is that you believe in a higher power and are of good moral character.

Freemasonry is a fraternity of men that want to better themselves through more esoteric and allegorical teachings.

A Jehova's Witness is a person that believes in a specific religious dogma.

A (weird) example would be a car club (I just looked out the window and saw my car). Freemasonry would allow you to join regardless of the make or model of car you own, as long as you own one.

I was actually very close to petitioning a lodge back in the day (I still might), and remember one of the guys telling me they had someone who was a Satanist join. Didn't last long (the guy's choice), but they're inclusive if you meet the believing in a higher power and good standing in society criteria.

I think of Jehova's Witnesses as being in a cult. I think of Freemasonary differently.

I'm pretty sure you could be a member of a cult and be a Freemason. Many sects of Christianity frown on or outright ban members from being Masons.

There is a LOT of BS surrounding the organization. I researched the crap out of it (at this point I offer a disclaimer, it's been a long time, so I might have something wrong) but personally found no conflict of interest between my faith and moral compass and becoming one. It never seemed cult-like to me, and if you research it and have a semi decent BS detector you'll soon learn that people denigrating Freemasons are almost always super sketchy and warping things. At the same time, there are a few chapters in the groups history that will give you pause. I can't think of a single large organization that doesn't have clusters of assholes from time to time that completely miss the point or outright ignore it on account of being assholes.

You can leave Freemasonry [for whatever reason] and the members of your former Lodge will still be allowed to talk with you.

If you leave Jehovah's Witness or are expelled, your ex-fellows will have to shun you or they risk being "dis-fellowshipped" themselves and likewise expelled.

Only a cult would behave as the Jehovah's Witnesses do. I am an adult, I'll talk with whomever I wish.

Two weeks since last post, I know... but I've been inactive around here.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: OptimusPrimeOne

In reality it's not and you have no authority to say otherwise.

And what would you know about “authority”?

originally posted by: network dude

John Smith founded the Mormon church, he was a mason before hand, and from what has been said, he carried some aspects of freemasonry to his religion.

I think you mean Joseph. So he was a Freemason, huh? That actually makes a lot of sense. Hey, did you know that Mormons are not allowed to drink coffee and yet they advertise Starbucks in their videos? That's kinda weird, too. What's more strange is that the “gold plates” they speak of came from a pyramid... and Freemasons know a few things about Egypt, don't they? Now I'm beginning to wonder just why Thera blew her top.

On a side-note... the other day I saw two guys do some kind of weird handshake and the one said, in respect of whatever irrelevant conversation they were briefly having, “A-mason... uh, amazing”. He got his words a bit minced there, being foreign... and thus clearly identified both of them as Freemasons, right after showing their handshake. Doh! That reminds me, I once saw Venables and Thompson do some kind of handshake right after John got back from “somewhere” with a backpack on, and he didn't normally go places... this was right after a young lady was chopped to bits in Bristol, England. Yeah, they killed Madeleine, as well as April Jones. So what was being said about child sacrifice?

Going back a bit, somebody said something about “authority”. Well let me tell you now, and in no uncertain terms, that the highest authority of all is God. The nature of The Almighty is not something which I could ever understand but there is somebody I do know, and hence...

Hail Mary.

a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio
That OptimusPrime has none to speak on who Freemasons worship. He is not a Freemason nor has any expertise to speak on the subject; and by "authority" I mean 'an individual cited or appealed to as an expert.' I wouldn't call myself an all-knowing expert (no mortal is), but I have expertise and I'm member or officer (Grand officer) in several bodies of Freemasonry.

You're right in that he was referring to Joseph Smith who was the founder of the Mormon Church and a Freemason.

The theory that Freemasonry is tied to Egypt is just that a theory. No one knows the origins of Freemasonry, going back prior to the 17th century you start moving into speculation because the lack of records and evidence.

An awkward handshake make them Masons (something that seems to allude non-Masons and anti-Masons alike). Either, it doesn't really matter if they were Mason or not. And no, Freemasonry deal with human or child sacrifice.

a reply to: KSigMason

Does the Freemasons have assassins since they killed JFK and Madeleine? A secret group?

No difference at all after Sunday. ..
Six masons all came around funny robes and all attempting to sell me some pegs.
The jehovers thought they were invading their patch and a cult war has started.
The score so far is masons 5 jehovers 2.

a reply to: KSigMason

There's having the privilege to speak on behalf of Freemasonry, then there is the having command of its members. Lodges might have leadership, yet there must surely exist a person with outright authority. I personally reserve such regard for God alone, not redacted.

My concern above all is the ever-obvious problem in respect of children going missing and it is most likely a systematic and coordinated effort. The children are giving signals, they are calling out for something to be done because they instinctively know that there is a problem. Like I said, Venables and Thompson are members and they are still killing... yet they are being protected as much today as they were over 25 years ago; how is that even possible? Somebody in a major position of power is pulling strings, that's how. Before you throw out my allegation that they were responsible for Madeleine's death, just look at the e-fits... it's them, and they're Freemasons.

I appreciate that this might be off-topic but I honestly do wonder about the possible links between Jehovah's Witnesses, the LDS and Freemasonry.