9 dead in shooting at South Carolina church Senator Clementa Pinckney killed

I just don't know what to say about this horrific murder. I am just heartbroken.

I don't really have anything to add to this thread, I just needed to express it.

Reminds me of another racially-motivated killing spree of long ago. These guys were probably Manchurian Candidates, too.

Angela Roselli(pseudonym) 12-20-73 shot three times by San Francisco's infamous black against white "Zebra" kill cult of the mid 1970s.
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Angela Roselli, “He had this ZOMBIE LOOK…”“His face was devoid of emotion; There was no hostility in it, just BLANK, STARING EYES”; “…he looked to be in some kind of state”; “It was like he was in a TRANCE– he was looking at me, but he was looking through me.”


They were jerking us around then, and they're jerking us around now. Remember what FDR said. "If it happens in politics, you can be sure it was designed to happen that way."

Interview with a classmate on CNN right now. Talking about the suspect while in high school, he:

• spoke with racial slurs, even though he had many black friends
  
• mentioned his hanging around with drug users in high school (big deal, that's like 90% of kids)
  
• typical kid antics, but nothing major discipline wise
  
• lost touch with friends after high school
  

originally posted by: Justaposter
I just don't know what to say about this horrific murder. I am just heartbroken.

I don't really have anything to add to this thread, I just needed to express it.

I know. I've been in prayer and in tears all day. Thankfully I have a little garden to putter around in and that has helped.

a reply to: NavyDoc
Hey Doc,
Doesn't the fact that he fled afterward, driving 4 hrs away indicate he did know what he did was wrong. Therefore, his ability to claim an insanity defense is diminished here? Not only that, but do psychotics know what they did was wrong and act like this? I'm pretty sure that sociopaths do not, as they do not have any empathy toward their victims. BUt them, I'm not a trained medical professional.

originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: NavyDoc
Hey Doc,
Doesn't the fact that he fled afterward, driving 4 hrs away indicate he did know what he did was wrong. Therefore, his ability to claim an insanity defense is diminished here? Not only that, but do psychotics know what they did was wrong and act like this? I'm pretty sure that sociopaths do not, as they do not have any empathy toward their victims. BUt them, I'm not a trained medical professional.

I think for his young age of 21 that he was probably indoctrinated or influenced by possibly family. Just a guess, though.

a reply to: humanityrising
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You joking right! It is racial

originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: NavyDoc
Hey Doc,
Doesn't the fact that he fled afterward, driving 4 hrs away indicate he did know what he did was wrong. Therefore, his ability to claim an insanity defense is diminished here? Not only that, but do psychotics know what they did was wrong and act like this? I'm pretty sure that sociopaths do not, as they do not have any empathy toward their victims. BUt them, I'm not a trained medical professional.

I think you are correct in that forethought, planning, and fleeing eliminates the insanity defense or at least makes it very hard to justify. The insanity plea is predicated that they did not actually know what they were doing and the above behavior indicates that he did indeed know what he was doing.

a reply to: KnowledgeisPower7

I agree with you. The reports from the scene (from the woman he left as a survivor) reported he made racial statements on the scene as an explanation for his actions. How could this NOT be a racially motivated act?

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
And as usual you guys will bury your heads in the sand and deny that the US has a massive gun problme.

Very sad.

Problem is not one of those poor victims was carrying because a church is supposed to be a safe haven. If someone had a CCW permit, they could've have nipped the situation in the bud before nine people were shot and killed. Yes, that is a massive gun problem where only the crazies are the ones shooting people.

Or the one with CcW could have been shot first before he/she realised.

Not a fan of strict gun control but let's be real guns are not a magic fix all solution.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Yea, everything about this situation screams racial.

oops

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: NavyDoc
Hey Doc,
Doesn't the fact that he fled afterward, driving 4 hrs away indicate he did know what he did was wrong. Therefore, his ability to claim an insanity defense is diminished here? Not only that, but do psychotics know what they did was wrong and act like this? I'm pretty sure that sociopaths do not, as they do not have any empathy toward their victims. BUt them, I'm not a trained medical professional.

I think you are correct in that forethought, planning, and fleeing eliminates the insanity defense or at least makes it very hard to justify. The insanity plea is predicated that they did not actually know what they were doing and the above behavior indicates that he did indeed know what he was doing.

What I thought.

Not sure how it works in US courts but the above planning iliminates insanity in UK.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Thanks for clarifying and responding. I'm trying to think how his defense will try to play this as not his fault. If he is found guilty of this horrific act, I do hope he either gets the death penalty. Note, it is called a penalty, not a deterrent. It is a penalty for the person to whom was found guilty, in order to penalize them for their acts and prevents them from doing this to anyone else, ever. That is the only 100% guarantee the person will never harm another person again.

If no death penalty, then I hope he is given life in solitary, with only medical professionals to speak to for the remainder of his life. Let the psychiatrists poke and prod his brain to at least learn how this happens and add to the medical knowledge-base.

dp

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Some new pics of the alleged shooter.

Didn't see them posted anywhere. It may offer some background info.
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Is this the BOLO pic?

Adam Lanza all over again, He probably was a conspiracy theorist that the Governments race war agenda got to. I bet he had a handler.

Can someone give me the rundown on this story, events since last night, motives, etc.

I can't read through the whole thread so I need the condensed version.

New Moon

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Was it a NM on the 16th?