FBI Declassified UFO Related Document - Earth has been visited.

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a good case can be made with all the high tech and secrecy that this was EBE tech.

No, it can't. That's confirmation bias.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance
Yep, it's a hoax that resulted in a fraud conviction:

Genuine Hottel memo based on hoax

The memo details what was told to FBI agent Guy Hottel, special agent in charge of the Washington, D.C. field office, including a description of a crashed spacecraft in New Mexico. The information in the report is connected to hoax that is some 60 years old, and it resulted in a fraud conviction.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

I said a good case, I didn't say it was definitive proof.

So with these memos relating to the FBI director speaking of flying disks and saucers and the president at the time, Truman speaking on tv about flying saucers, you think we should rule out any link between UFO's, flying saucers and EBE activity?

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
you think we should rule out any link between UFO's, flying saucers and EBE activity?

Not rule it out entirely, but given that out of all possible explanations, one involving aliens is without a doubt the least likely, it should be treated as such.

As for the memos, see the post above yours.

Nice find, Arbitrageur.

We are just a resource for the real ones. The time travelers have an agenda. The government created ones have a control agenda. It goes on and on. Like pushing on a water balloon.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
you think we should rule out any link between UFO's, flying saucers and EBE activity?

Not rule it out entirely, but given that out of all possible explanations, one involving aliens is without a doubt the least likely, it should be treated as such.

As for the memos, see the post above yours.

Nice find, Arbitrageur.

Can you prove that the UFO-EBE link is the least likely explanation? What other explanations do you favor for UFO's given the definition of a UFO.

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
you think we should rule out any link between UFO's, flying saucers and EBE activity?

Not rule it out entirely, but given that out of all possible explanations, one involving aliens is without a doubt the least likely, it should be treated as such.

As for the memos, see the post above yours.

Nice find, Arbitrageur.

Can you prove that the UFO-EBE link is the least likely explanation? What other explanations do you favor for UFO's given the definition of a UFO.

To me, the most likely explanations are misidentified aircraft/balloons/birds/drones, satellites/ISS/Iridium flare/ball lightning, and black project crafts, in that order. I don't rule out any alien/EBE possibility entirely, but I won't accept it as fact, either, without conclusive evidence of such.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

What other explanations do you favor for UFO's given the definition of a UFO.

given the definition of a ufo, how can any explanation be reasonable?

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Brotherman

I don't think anything like this is true.

Until you see one yourself. Then it isn't about believing anymore, you've become a witness.

Until you see what? What did you witness? An alien being? A UFO?

The latter. A 'thingy' flying in the air. With friends and strangers on a hill top, lonnng ago.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Brotherman

I don't think anything like this is true.

Until you see one yourself. Then it isn't about believing anymore, you've become a witness.

Until you see what? What did you witness? An alien being? A UFO?

The latter. A 'thingy' flying in the air. With friends and strangers on a hill top, lonnng ago.

So you were a witness to an object that you could not identify. What does that mean to you? Your original statement made it sound like your event gave you a deeper knowledge, and I'm just trying to figure out how that could be.

a reply to: redtic

Because once you see something not from earth, read that not earth tech, you know.

I also know you. You're fishing to dismiss whatever I say once you think you know enough about what I'm saying, even though you weren't there.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: redtic

Because once you see something not from earth, read that not earth tech, you know.

I also know you. You're fishing to dismiss whatever I say once you think you know enough about what I'm saying, even though you weren't there.

No, I'm actually really trying to understand how you know what you saw was not from this earth.

There are a couple of interesting things about this document I'd like to point out.

Firstly, that the writer has "little expectation that anything of import will be accomplished by this gesture" ... "nevertheless it seems a public duty to make it available". I get the distinct impression that while the author wishes this information to be taken seriously and made publicly available, he expects to be treated with derision, and is familiar of the government's official stance on the matter, which is essentially that of scorn and ridicule in order to discredit the whole idea of visiting ET's. Yet he considered it important enough to try.

Secondly, it is mentioned that the information was obtained through "super normal" means. What does this mean? What is "super normal"? Could it be something like, for example, telepathy? I've heard aliens are big on telepathic communication.

Thirdly, it's stated that they could possibly be contacted by radar, but not by radio. This would certainly explain the absence of any received intelligent radio signals. But the radar. Could a radar signalling system be developed that would be able to contact these beings? I don't know nearly enough about radar as I should, and I for one will be doing some research on it.

And then there's the mention of the lokas and talas. Are these beings perhaps from a different lokas/talas than we are? There's also the connection of lokas/talas with esotericism and the occult. This connection implies a relationship between ET's and what we consider the occult. These aforementioned "super normal" means of communication - could that be referring to practices generally relegated to the realm of the occult? I could say a lot more on this topic, but I fear this post has gone on long enough.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Nice catch man. I'm glad someone looked into it deeper.