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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: MsVen. The first hint of an attack was the second tower being hit, it was 35 or so minutes later that the Pentagon was hit. Not enough time to do anything about it, especially after Flight 77's transponder was shut off for the majority of that time.
originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: MsVen
"I cant understand how a hijacked airliner was allowed, or able, to get so close to such an important building - the HQ of the Defense Dept of all things - so long after the first hint of attack."
The second plane in NYC hit at 9:03.
The Pentagon was hit 34 minutes later.
Why would you expect the Pentagon would be third?
Why not the Sears tower?
Why not the Empire state building?
You have to remember the confusion of the day.
The alphabet agencies did not talk to each other back then.
The attack was well thought out because they chose a method we did not seriously think could happen.
originally posted by: samkent
It's interesting how people say the media is controlled by TPTB and should not be used as a trusted source.
Then the same people cite the media to support their side in 911.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Well I was going to post a big huge answer, but what is the point, you answered the OP question,"you didn't"... moving on.
originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: johnquindell
the official ideology of the Soviet regime was only a small part of a bigger lie.
How can people function in life if they believe that everything is a lie?
originally posted by: MsVen
would be two places highly militarised within mere moments of that FIRST plane hitting - with military jets and helicopters buzzing about all over. Not because I 'expected' any further attacks, but because it's logical.
so dont tell me there was no f*ing time to rally up some sort of visible military presence on the ground and in the air.
originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: MsVen
And when you post on here about beliefs which are contrary to reality, people are going to post in response. One example, you would expect for the air over the Pentagon to be buzzing with aircraft within 30 minutes of the Towers being hit, when in reality, there were two VH-60s and a C-130 in the area. The -60s are the "go birds" at Anacosta for Presidential evacuation from the White House if needed and the C-130 whose crew was twiddling their thumbs as they watched Flight 77 hit the Pentagon from the air.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: jaffo
Not a very informative posting.
I'm Dutch so any cognitive dissonance I felt was surely not felt because my non-existing American superiority complex was shattered. Nor did I find it strange that the American air defense system failed (again). As a keen ufologist I'm aware of the happenings on Edwards AFB in 1965, where objects hovered over Edwards for over six hours. That was right over one of the most guarded AFBs in America in a time when we were smack right in the middle of the Cold War. So much for American air defense. Nor did I find it unbelievable that a handful of attackers could take control of airplanes - pilots aren't heroes, they are supposed to fly the plane and keep the passenger alive. If that requires cooperation with an attacker, so be it.
But what strikes me as odd is that no technical handbooks were revised, no standards were adopted - well, not to the best of my knowledge. The same calculations that were used to build the old WTC's are still taught today, as if nothing happened. If there REALLY was something to the theory that we were given - about kerosine being able to bring down a building in roughly an hour - we would never bother with controlled demolition anymore, but simply fly a plane-like contraption into that type of building.
There was plenty of time for there to be more military presence around the Pentagon, even if they couldnt stop the plane from slamming into it. If not, then it was incompentance and someone/s needs to step up already, admit their monumental failures surrounding that day,
originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: johnquindell
Assumption is normally THE fatal flaw in the beliefs of most 9/11 conspiracy theorists and your post did not disappoint. Your assumptions about our air defenses are a prime example. Our air defenses that day were radar and 14 armed fighter aircraft. It does not matter if there were no exercises that day, those 14 fighters were the only aircraft ready to go......and each one of them were at their respective bases that day. Contrary to a lot of peoples assumptions, the US military did not keep all of its aircraft sitting around armed and on alert. It costs too much. Nor are missiles stocked away ready to go at most Air Force bases. They are kept in their containers in their magazines. Then, the assumption about the 25 minutes on average for an interception. Hell, even post 9/11 it can take up to an hour before an off course airliner finds a fighter jet off its wing. And, the assumption about the heavily defended airspace.....see the earlier sentence about our air defenses being 14 fighter jets....for the entire continent. And the closest ones were at Langley AFB. The sad fact about that day was that the ONLY jet we had a realistic chance of stopping was Flight 93. The 113th Fighter Wing at Andrews had just returned from a short deployment and they scrambled to get fighters in the air, it took them about 35 minutes to go from cold to launch. The only issue was, they were not armed and the pilots were going to ram Flight 93 if it appeared over DC. They had no chance to stop Flight 77.
I would argue that there is evidence that the government anticipated the possibility of an attack of the kind that took pace on 9/11 and thus should have taken measures which would have enabled timely interception of the airliners on that day.