10 Stories the Mainstream Media Ignored While Obsessing Over Caitlyn Jenner

a reply to: queenofswords

Yes there are Organizations that are about Money, that is with everything, even non LGBTQ members. but that is not the entirety of the LGBTQ community, there are many of us Grassroots efforts for tolerance and equality.

the Media reports on what it wants to report, can you tell me how many Transgender people get murdered? how many attacks on Gay people? Suicide?

We are demanding to be treated and protected like Humans, and not some second class citizen, sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: queenofswords

Yes there are Organizations that are about Money, that is with everything, even non LGBTQ members. but that is not the entirety of the LGBTQ community, there are many of us Grassroots efforts for tolerance and equality.

the Media reports on what it wants to report, can you tell me how many Transgender people get murdered? how many attacks on Gay people? Suicide?

We are demanding to be treated and protected like Humans, and not some second class citizen, sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

You are sooooo melodramatic. I am not uncomfortable and most of us treat LGBTs like humans, not second class citizens. We don't need to donate a gazillion dollars to some non-profit to "raise awareness" about it.

There are ALWAYS going to be those that hate. There are always going to be people that use violence to express their hatred....against gays, against Christians, against Islam, against blacks, against the elderly, against transgenders, even against wasp males. H*ll! Wall Street Billionaires are treated by the masses like lepers. We need to start a non-profit and raise awareness for them.

a reply to: queenofswords

Don't donate money... you know how when you go to a Market and they ask if you want to donate a Dollar to raise Awareness for a Disease, or the Salvation Army outside stores raising awareness or every organization raising awareness for their cause demanding you give them a gazillion dollars... just don't do it

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Darth_Prime

So, Bruce has a genetic abnormality then. Either way, his actions are not normal.

As for always being a woman.....yeah, his numerous marriages and several children suggest otherwise.

The genetic make up determined him to have a penis, testicles and male attributes. So. mental issues are all that is left.

Or some genetic abnormality that brings a person to think they are of the opposite sex, as determined by their chromosomes.

There is so much ignorance in this statement that I'm not sure where to begin.

Being any degree of LGBT, is not a genetic abnormality. It's not an affliction. It's not an illness. It's not a choice.

I would be inclined to believe, one would have to be incredibly insecure in their own sexuality, to be this bothered by a person's actions, when those actions have zero effect on their personal life.

originally posted by: queenofswords
We don't need to donate a gazillion dollars to some non-profit to "raise awareness" about it.

Really?

Have you checked how much Mormons spent on Prop 8?

Have you checked how much NOM has spent fighting LGBT equality?

But, LGBT is "stupid" to spend money on awareness, legal and political issues?

Reality check!

a reply to: Annee

You have a point. The battle against same-sex marriage rages on....it takes $$$$ to fight a war, right?

a reply to: queenofswords

It's not just same-sex marriage though, it's adoption rights, work place discrimination, states that are passing right to discriminate laws... it's just one step at a time

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Annee

You have a point. The battle against same-sex marriage rages on....it takes $$$$ to fight a war, right?

Especially a losing war. NOM is seriously in debt. They are no longer receiving large donations. They know they've lost the war in the US, so they've gone to Russia, Cambodia, etc.

HRC spent $1,200,000 in 2014 for Lobbying --- fighting for Equal Rights. (I personally think Lobbying sux, but that's how the political game works).

If anti-LGBT would stop fighting Equal Rights, money could be used for something else -- like research.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: queenofswords

It's not just same-sex marriage though, it's adoption rights, work place discrimination, states that are passing right to discriminate laws... it's just one step at a time

I'm going to be honest with you. I think the battle against same-sex marriage is a legitimate one mainly because of the adoption rights issue. We discriminate everyday in our lives. We make fine distinctions and judgements all the time.

Our children have enough psychological and emotional stresses in today's world without subjecting them to non-discriminating policies when it comes to adoption.

Civil unions that allow same sex couples to benefit from tax advantages and such would serve the same purpose as marriage. They can already arrange private adoptions. Let's leave the institution of marriage between one man and one woman for now. That may change in time.....but then, again, it may not.

This is just my personal stance on the issue. I know you would like to be able to have the same consideration as a heterosexual couple in the adoption arena, but, imo, Society should examine all aspects before it changes its cultural taboos and mores.

a reply to: queenofswords

This is another Topic, which i would love to discuss.. but to answer your statement

Why should we have to settle for "Civil Unions" Who defined "One man One Women" and if you say the "Church" or the "Bible" that makes it a bad argument because you can't enforce Laws based on Religious Dogma. you can have your Views, but you can't create laws and "Definitions" based on Religion.

we want to have the same considerations as other Humans, Straight/Gay doesn't matter, it's us being voided of Rights that other Humans get because we are Gay and they are straight.

People are scared of a Word, if you gave us all the same benefits as a "Married Couple" what is the difference?

What should Society examine?

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: queenofswords

This is another Topic, which i would love to discuss.. but to answer your statement

Why should we have to settle for "Civil Unions" Who defined "One man One Women" and if you say the "Church" or the "Bible" that makes it a bad argument because you can't enforce Laws based on Religious Dogma. you can have your Views, but you can't create laws and "Definitions" based on Religion.

we want to have the same considerations as other Humans, Straight/Gay doesn't matter, it's us being voided of Rights that other Humans get because we are Gay and they are straight.

People are scared of a Word, if you gave us all the same benefits as a "Married Couple" what is the difference?

What should Society examine?

Why should you and yours be the soul decision-makers in this society. Others have legitimate concerns that are just as valid as yours, and they should not be dismissed as bigotry nor hatred just because you say that it is.

I don't come from a religious perspective. As I said in my previous post, my problem is that I think we should be discriminating when it comes to the open adoption arena. Re-read my post for clarification.

You have all rights constitutionally allowed already, same as everybody else. The constitution does not say anything about marriage. Our society's cultural mores and taboos determine the definition of a marriage.

Civil unions should be enough to give same sex couple all the financial and tax advantages that are allotted to heterosexual couples. You already have the right to engage in private adoptions.

Why do so many people put so much emphasis and attachment to the term "marriage" All it is in the end is a formal and legally binding ceremony recognized by the state. I mean has JC or god ever personally shown up at anyone's marriage and gave a thumbs up. Whats the big deal?

Every wedding I've ever been to has been pretty much the same, boring until the reception when the real celebration begins. Hmm which makes the whole experience better, the formal part which is pretty much the same across the board or the after party with all the crazy friends and family. Nobody ever talks about the actual ceremony except maybe the vows or if the couple make a show of the kiss.




a reply to: queenofswords

a reply to: queenofswords

Why should you and yours be the social decision-makers in society? people don't want Gays or anyone under the LGBTQ umbrella to have the same rights as them, so make it Equal for everyone.. it actually seems simple enough, Equality

it's bigoted and discriminating when you deny a certain person something based on their Sexuality,Gender,Race. and that is whats happening.

Besides the Tax benefits of Marriage there is also hospital visitation rights, and property, children.. it's a lot more than just the Estate Taxes and other taxes.. plus it's the point of Discrimination.. and you can dance around "You have Civil Unions" and "Constitution doesn't include marriage" but the fact is we are denied because we are under the LGBTQ umbrella

Not all states allow Adoptions to same sex couples, likewise not all states allow same sex couples to adopt the others children either.

Society's culture mores and Taboos determine the definition of Marriage.. really...do you have any examples?

originally posted by: queenofswords

I'm going to be honest with you. I think the battle against same-sex marriage is a legitimate one mainly because of the adoption rights issue.

I find that absolutely sick.

Kids care that they are loved. They care if they feel secure.

Stupid self righteous adults try to interfere because of sanctimonious ideas that mean crap to a needy child.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: queenofswords

I'm going to be honest with you. I think the battle against same-sex marriage is a legitimate one mainly because of the adoption rights issue.

I find that absolutely sick.

Kids care that they are loved. They care if they feel secure.

Stupid self righteous adults try to interfere because of sanctimonious ideas that mean crap to a needy child.

I knew you were going to come back with that. I have had plenty of discussions regarding the capability of same sex couples to be loving parents. I know they can. That is not the issue with me. They adopt through private channels and that is fine.

My opinion is that they should not be in the open adoption arena until many years of studies have been done on people that were reared in same sex households. For me, the risk of psychologically damaging children is not worth it till we know what the statistics over time show.

I consider many of your viewpoints "sick", but I generally don't tell a poster that on a thread.

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: queenofswords

I'm going to be honest with you. I think the battle against same-sex marriage is a legitimate one mainly because of the adoption rights issue.

I find that absolutely sick.

Kids care that they are loved. They care if they feel secure.

Stupid self righteous adults try to interfere because of sanctimonious ideas that mean crap to a needy child.

My opinion is that they should not be in the open adoption arena until many years of studies have been done on people that were reared in same sex households. For me, the risk of psychologically damaging children is not worth it till we know what the statistics over time show.

And, if you knew me, you'd know I am a major advocate for LIVING children.

What you're saying is just a BS excuse. It's about your own fears and antiquated thinking, not about the children.

Children don't care if their parents are same sex. They care they are loved, secure, have a home and fsmily.

LGBT are PEOPLE, just people. Are they all good? No. But, neither are hetero. Abuse is making a child wait longer for a family.

The abuse will come from the outside. From people like you.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

I never stated anything about being or not being humans.
I guess that "fixing" people like Bruce fall under the same fixing of those that are born with Downs or any other abnormality. Research, testing and see what works.

But, we aren't cutting up people with other abnormalities, we is this different for people like Bruce?

a reply to: daryllyn

Okay then. What exactly is the LGBTV then?


And who said I was bothered by Bruce's decision in a life affecting way?

I stated it was sad that the media is pushing this crap, as an obviously mentally ill person, or genetic abnormal person, to make ratings and see magazines. And yet people clap and applaud this like a bunch of idiots while the media makes money off this man.

On the subject of same sex couples parenting/adopting children....

a reply to: macman

Okay then. What exactly is the LGBTV then?

How about its another facet of human diversity?

And who said I was bothered by Bruce's decision in a life affecting way?

You seem pretty bothered based on your continued intolerant comments, suggesting that there is a defect, a mistake, a mental illness, or genetic abnormality as a cause.