A Question For All of America

a reply to: Krazysh0t
No need to get involved if your supplying arms to both sides. Ok I have to stop...will ruin the thread if I carry on down this path. Dam you Henry Ford!!!

a reply to: rossacus

Lol Henry Ford. That man should have been tried as a traitor to the US.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

To the world. We didn't stop paying a loan to america until the 1990's....maybe later cos of that scum and those in power that orchestrated the abondonment of the rest of the world. Here I go again. Apologies

a reply to: rossacus

You don't have to apologize to me on anything that happened historically that may be unfavorable to America. I have no problem accepting that America has a dark past.

originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: whyamIhere
Can you elaborate on any of these ideas that the military fight for to justify this programmed response? Would genuinely like to know when freedom was ever jeopardised other than civil war. (9/11 don't count cos securing oil pipelines doesn't ensure your freedom back home)

I think might help answer your question.

Most Americans look right past the politics of our Government.

We don't look at the sacrifice people make as some kind of Corporate accident.

Most of us are more disgusted than you can imagine. But, we support our Military.

No matter what...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Just apologising for derailing the thread, although I feel the OP has had his question answered multiple times.

I should start a thread about americas contribution in ww2, but I don't want the servers to crash. Lol

a reply to: buster2010

Precisely. It's no longer about the interests of the people, rather, the interest of corporate and political power.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

With the advent of resurgent socialism, I can see how WW2 might appear to have been won by the opposition.

I don't defend our galavanting around the globe and sticking our noses in every pie. Police actions are the very definition of folly from a military perspective.

I will agree that it is less than accurate to refer to our expeditionary antics as "defending freedom" but, the arsenal of democracy, like it or not, truly is the last line of defense for the free world and may be required to once again live up to its lofty reputation and deeply rooted principals.

a reply to: rossacus

Do it. I'd like to see what your research has uncovered. I always enjoy a good history discussion (see my sig).

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

American here and I can answer that. Freedom for me in America is being able to do pretty much anything I want without worry and within reason.
For example:
If I want to wear a Hitler shirt and yell out "sieg heil" in the middle of a busy shopping mall - I can.
You can't do that in Germany

If a guy in America wanted to have a mullet (barf) or a ponytail or any other hairstyle in America - he can.
You can't do that in Iran

If I want to chew gum and spit it out on the street - I can
You can't do that in Singapore

The list goes on and on but you get the idea. In America we have A LOT of freedom, so much that even the people living here aren't aware of just how much freedom they actually do have. That's obvious after reading some of the comments here!
*The simple and seemingly stupid freedoms that I listed were on purpose because I wanted to point out little things that some take for granted. Our U.S. military back it all up starting long ago - till present day and that's why you see "our soldiers fought/are fighting for our freedom" because they are the one's on the ground fighting and dying for all American's to have and KEEP it's freedom. No matter how small or how big. We aren't perfect by no means, but we are people who live very free! More so than most.
PS. Don't believe everything you hear from the media or the paranoid on forums because those folks will convince the whole world they are dying because they got a splinter in their butt!

a reply to: Krazysh0t
Unfortunately I'm just a mobile phone hobbyist. Wouldn't even dream of logging in to my computer to come on this website otherwise my entire day will be composed of trolls and ignorance.
Researching on a mobile is difficult and I've learnt it's best to have a vague, borderline offensive post to get the best information/research from those more
Passionate than myself.

I'm thinking the title "where was america for over 2 years"....lol

a reply to: Staroth

To answer the question you said because they are the ones dying to have and keep their freedoms. Do you realise what you have just done. Your answer is just repeating the question, a fine example of the brainwashing without even being aware you said it as reasoning.

a reply to: rossacus

Lol. If you say so.

Thanks for all the replies so far folks.
It seems that the overall majority say that its propaganda.

Im quite happy with that, seems right to me.

Are they teaching kids this in school i wonder?

a reply to: rossacus

I said: because they are the one's on the ground fighting and dying for all American's to have and KEEP it's freedom.
That's not a question, that's a answer. Learn to comprehend?

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

This is the oath we take when enlisting.

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Now we can argue all day if wars currently fought are for corportions or politicians.

But that is the oath.

a reply to: Staroth



I didnt ask what freedoms you have or havnt

a reply to: whyamIhere

Because we Americans constantly remind ourselves of the sacrifices of many.

These Men and Women willing went before us and gave all.

They "Gave All" so we don't have to worry about it.

So, we constantly remember these souls including members of my own family.

They came from every town. They came willingly. Some lied about their age to go fight.

To go and fight for an idea. They are worthy of being remembered. Never Forget...

Well said!!!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not demonising it or judging anyone, just life needs joy. You once a week get joy from this website. I come to ATS for information on recent events the UK media doesn't cover and scientific breakthroughs, plus the old religious debates (don't get better than that). But once mates are within a 2 mile radius of me you won't see me on ATS.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
Thanks for all the replies so far folks.
It seems that the overall majority say that its propaganda.

Im quite happy with that, seems right to me.

Are they teaching kids this in school i wonder?

They are bit more sneaky with it actually. They teach it to the soldiers and the soldier's family who in turn repeat it to their friends and family. This allows them to get defensive if anyone calls them on it.

Then there is the whole idea of being unpatriotic if you don't appreciate the soldiers. This sprung up as a backlash to the hatred for soldiers coming back from Vietnam, so many Americans rationalized that they didn't want to be like their parents with the recent war, so they'd say things like, "I don't support the war, but I support the troops!" It makes it sound like it's different, but it's really the same rhetoric. The soldiers are awesome and just doing what we need them to, which isn't true, and the person is even semi-admitting it by saying they don't support the war.

Oh yeah and then for the trifecta, there is a bit of a guilt trip in there for you as well.