Pam Geller is technically right .

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: beezzer

I wonder what would happen if somebody drew a gay Mohammed ?

I'm sure they would cut the head off (cough cough).

If you know what I mean.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: introvert

So gay is *meh* to them while drawing their prophet is an automatic death sentence?

Perhaps you are missing the point of my posts. It's not a matter of what matters more, drawing the prophet or homosexuality, but a matter of provocation and politics.

Radical Islamists are not attempting to shoot-up court rooms and gay pride parades because they are an abomination to Islam, yet they are trying to incite violence at a cartoon drawing contest.

Why is that? Is it because cartoons are more of an affront to their religion than homosexuality, or because one group is actively provoking them than the other?

a reply to: Kali74

Ok. Well that hatred of "other" is clearly demonstrated daily by liberals with their severe hatred towards those whom they strongly disagree with. More often than not, directed towards the assumed evil "right wingers". Almost always white and/or Christian people.

I find it so strange that so many people can't see this hypocrisy being practiced by the finger pointing liberals on a very constant daily basis. The technique is very tired and used as a sole means to criticize people they strongly disagree with. It's a vile and dis-ingenuous tactic.

a reply to: introvert

You don't get it.

Drawing a cartoon is a direct action, true.

Being gay is a passive action that still gets people killed.

Yet people celebrate, acknowledge homosexuality in the west.

So in order to "not offend" do we suppress homosexuality?

Or do we have the stones to finally say, "Frakk who I offend, I'm going to draw the prophet AND kiss a guy!"

a reply to: beezzer

I don't think you are "getting it".

Both actions/choices are an affront to Islam, but Islamists are not actively killing homosexuals in America.

Why is that? It's a matter of one group PROVOKING Islamsists and the other is not.

But you know that and are purposefully obfuscating the issue for whatever purpose.

What I am saying is that we SHOULD say "Frakk who I offend, I'm going to draw the prophet AND kiss a guy!"....but accept the consequences when radical Islamists target you more than the other group just because you had the gumption to target them first.

a reply to: introvert

Why is that?

Well, it could have something to do with the fact that they would be put away for life or possibly given the death sentence if such a thing were to occur here in the states...

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: beezzer

I don't think you are "getting it".

Both actions/choices are an affront to Islam, but Islamists are not actively killing homosexuals in America.

Yet.

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: introvert

Why is that?

Well, it could have something to do with the fact that they would be put away for life or possibly given the death sentence if such a thing were to occur here in the states...

Yet they will attack a cartoon drawing contest with any less of an expectation?

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: introvert

Why is that?

Well, it could have something to do with the fact that they would be put away for life or possibly given the death sentence if such a thing were to occur here in the states...

Yet they will attack a cartoon drawing contest with any less of an expectation?

Right now, so it seems. All we can do is wait and see, my friend!

a reply to: beezzer

There is nothing more infuriating than a person that believes something strongly, but cannot properly articulate why their belief is so strong.

How sad.

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: introvert

Why is that?

Well, it could have something to do with the fact that they would be put away for life or possibly given the death sentence if such a thing were to occur here in the states...

Yet they will attack a cartoon drawing contest with any less of an expectation?

Right now, so it seems. All we can do is wait and see, my friend!

True. Wouldn't it be wise to reserve such judgement until such an act occurs, or are we going to condemn them before the fact, based on personal bias, before any such act occurs?

Where is the logic in that?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: beezzer

There is nothing more infuriating than a person that believes something strongly, but cannot properly articulate why their belief is so strong.

How sad.

Don't cry for me, Argentina.

a reply to: beezzer

Don't cry for me, Argentina.

Don't worry. I wont.

Honesty and integrity will do that for me.

a reply to: beezzer

What irritates radical Islam?

Anything that disagrees with their brainwashing propaganda, same as radical anything.

We know drawing cartoons they find offensive do.

Unfortunately, it offends all Muslims in the process... as piss Christ did all Christians. Andres Serrano received death threats for years because of it. Christian groups protested it, demanded all images of it be removed from television, print and web news, most complied. The piece itself was vandalized in the French museum it was exhibited at. The museum also received threats of death and violence.

Now at risk of being repetitive... both are free speech and shouldn't be outlawed. Neither should either provoke violence. But both are wrong and unnecessary.

What else irritates radical Islam?

Gays. Gay marriage.

Gays and gay marriage also provoke radical Christians. We have a whole vocal community of evangelical fundamentalists calling for in some cases the death of gays and in most other cases the denial of equal rights, not just with marriage but the ability to work, to mingle in society... all while defending incest and pedophilia. Gays and transgendered women and men are still targeted for violence, sometimes even fatally.

The violence toward and condemnation of gays in the West? That offends many Muslims as well, so what is your point? That the West is better than radical Islam? Sure, the West is better than radical Christianity too.

a reply to: Wookiep

Yeah... you're oh so persecuted!

And I'm such an evil liberal...

a reply to: introvert

You know...touting virtue does not make one virtuous. Especially when one speaketh from thy anuth.

But I agree with you - it is always best to just let bad things happen, and then weep and sacrifice one of our civil rights afterward.

a reply to: Kali74

Hey I forget, were there any actual attempts on Andres Serrano's life? Or just threats?

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

You know...touting virtue does not make one virtuous. Especially when one speaketh from thy anuth.

Responding with rudeness and hubris does not make one's opinion any more valid.

Care to address specifics, or was this just a "drive-by" snark?

a reply to: introvert

I think the relevant specifics have been covered. You consider drawing a cartoon to be a provocation of violence, and I consider it an exercise of free speech.

If we can't agree on that, there is no point in discussing specifics.

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: introvert

You consider drawing a cartoon to be a provocation of violence, and I consider it an exercise of free speech.

That's not what I said. Reading comprehension is fundamental to personal enlightenment.

What I did say is that she knew full well what the consequences may be for holding this drawing contest, considering the people the drawing contest was aimed at provoking. It is my personal opinion that she used this event to make a political statement, based on her previous actions/statements, and not an exercise in free speech. Actually, free speech was the scapegoat in this case. Therefore, I do not feel any pity for her receiving the consequences of that action.

I support her right to free speech, but I don't have to feel sorry when her right produces a negative response.