Shocking new video shows unarmed Utah man was listening to headphones when killed by police

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Sorry but I didn't refer to " a potential police state". I refered to" the best way to be safe" is to bare arms. I don't know how you linked that to what I said but sorry if I somehow made it sound otherwise

You are so correct with native americans. Americans see america as there's like the human race sees the world as theirs.

And yes guardsman have been around since the beginning of recorded time

a reply to: Useurbrain

Well put. Everyone on this thread seems to ignore the obvious reaching into his waistline seconds before the shot.

a reply to: rossacus

It was stated the guy was drunk, and I'm sure was just pulling up his pants since he was found unarmed. But I can not stress enough, you have a fraction of a second to decide. I don't like to put blame on the dead guy, all life matters, but he just made a very poor decision in a very tense situation.

originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: peskyhumans
Isn't the right to bare arms the reason your country is in this mess. The fact that you feel this makes you safer is crazy to the rest of the world outside the US.

If you truly believe society would function better without the police, then there is little hope for you. The reason you didn't need police when america "started" was because settlers were not criminals.

How else can you enforce the law? This is gonna be priceless

Actually many of the settlers were criminals - according to the catholic church, anyway. Most of them were Protestant, but not Lutheran. Lutherans were able to secure religious liberty in Europe at that time by having mass numbers of people who would resort to violence if the Catholics started oppressing them. Small denominations like the Quakers or Mormons couldn't do this - they either would up in dungeons or they fled to the new world.

On top of that, a lot of the colonists were indentured servants - some paying their fare on the boat they came over on, others paying off a debt to society. Many of the colonists did not come to the new world by choice. So there were many criminals here at the founding of our country - we didn't need police because again, it was common law throughout most of European history to resolve criminal matters within the community. Police were not needed.

While I think we could get along without them - I would rather they be trained to use non-lethal force first and foremost, and only resort to using lethal force if they make visual confirmation that a suspect is armed, like I said in my last post. Also if Castle Law was a constitutional right it would resolve a lot of armed robberies before the police even arrive at the scene.

I'm surprised at the lashback my comments have made - it seems a lot of people are so dependent upon the police for their own perceived safety they can't imagine what life was like before police even existed. That's most of human history.

My .02 cents

I think Dilion Taylor could have done a lot more to not get shot. The moment the officers arrived he acted really shady. Like immediately walking away. Now, I also the believe the the officer involved should have been able to use other tools to deescalate the situation.

I've had a hard time finding out exactly why the officers were responding to the scene. The computer screen in the officers car has a highlighted section that appears to have little information. According to some sources, I'm under the impression they were responding to a loitering with a weapon call.

Can we make out in the video that Dilion Taylor is saying "Nah Man?" His body mannerism certainly suggested that would be something that came out of his mouth.

Here is a frame by frame up to the "Nah Man" part.

This video shows a frame-by-frame explanation of the shooting of Dillon Taylor by an officer of the Salt Lake City Police Department. Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill gave this detailed explanation at a press conference on Sept. 30, 2014.

Found this little bit about Dilion's criminal past.

Taylor was facing a $25,000 arrest warrant for allegedly violating probation he received for robbery and obstructing justice; he was arrested July 31 in North Salt Lake for being drunk and interfering with the arresting officer, according to an affidavit filed with the court.

Taylor also had failed to maintain full employment, complete a mental health evaluation or complete a substance abuse evaluation, all conditions of his probation, according to the affidavit.

Taylor expressed an intense feeling of doom, and determination not to go back to jail as a result of the warrant, issued Aug. 7.

"I feel my time is coming soon, my nightmears [sic] are telling me," he wrote that day on Facebook. "ALL my family has turned and snitched on me. I'll die before I go do a lot of time in a cell. I'm trying to strive and live but [I'm] done litrerly [can't] stand breathing and dealing with s—-. I feel like god [can't] even save me on this one. ... this time [it's] me and the demons [I'm] fighting."

Third District Court records show that Taylor pleaded guilty to a reduced count of second-degree felony robbery in connection to thefts at a Beto's restaurant and another 7-Eleven

source

a reply to: Useurbrain

I don't think he was pulling his pants up 2 seconds before the shot was fired. You could see his torso from his shirt being lifted up. People are ignoring this. Couldn't have been a more threatening split second in my eyes.

a reply to: theNLBS
Good find. Adds a bit of perspective to the situation.

a reply to: peskyhumans

I agree about the non violence but I understand that shooting in the leg, torso, arms, hands would not nullify the threat of being shot. If you suspect a gun and you know the history of the suspect (robberies, 25k warrant) you are gonna try to reduce your risk .

Also I would say in today's society I cannot see how a community could enforce laws. With current society and the advancements in technology and weapons the community would not have the same powers as back in the "pitchfork days".

Didn't mean to be overly rude it's just I've heard these types of statements before. It's like communism, nice in theory , impossible in reality in today's society. When local gangs overthrow communities or bribe leaders, who you gonna call?
Cos ghost busters are no longer needed

originally posted by: Legman

originally posted by: rockintitz

originally posted by: Legman

originally posted by: Mandroid7
I'm on the fence on this one. Does anyone know the law as far as showing your hands?

He kept his hands in his waistband the whole time.

He didn't pull a gun. Does a gun have to be visible?

Did they guy have enough time to hear him?

Could he understand and comprehend the cop?

Scary Video there!

HE yelled "NAH FOOL" when the police asked him to raise his hands... then his mistake was raising his shirt near the waistband.



RIP....... its a tough thug life...fooo

Do you mean to say that he shouldn't have removed his hands away from his pockets?

Did you see any sign of a weapon?

I didn't. But then again, if it were me, I'd most likely have my day in court.

Buddy, do your family a favor and never be a cop. When you see the "sign" of a weapon... you are dead.

Buddy, do society a favor.... the rest of us want policemen that are not willing to die. We want homes that are not home invaded because of a weak police force... we want our kids to be able to walk from school to home. Do us a favor and think about your beliefs.... because the wide portion of society appreciate cops.

Isn't the guy a police officer because he is willing to put his life on the line? Isnt that the reason he has a weapon,taser, ect... I dont want a police officer who is not willing to die in the line of duty. Just like I dont want a Marine who isnt afraid to die in the line of duty. Its part of the responsibility of the profession. Dont speak on behalf of everybody, you'll see you dont have the support of everyone. I didnt see a weapon either.
I still have some respect for the police, only because not all are bad.

a reply to: BeyondBlessed

"I dont want a police officer who is not willing to die in the line of duty. Just like I dont want a Marine who isnt afraid to die in the line of duty. Its part of the responsibility of the profession."

A police officer and a Marine are two totally separate situations...and as a former Marine that has seen combat, you risk your life for your fellow Marine. You are asking a police officer it hesitate in a tense situation, and to err on the side of possibly dying. That's not in the job description. A police officer will risk his life to save you, that I am pretty sure of. However, he is not expected to risk yours, his or his partners life when confronting a possibly dangerous person. And as for 'isn't afraid to die'...only psychopaths aren't afraid to die...however you overcome that fear to do your duty. Waiting to see if that's a knife, gun or nothing the person was reaching for, after being told several times to show his hands is unrealistic. "I didn't see a weapon"...you are making that statement after watching the video...and it's hinted with the title too. It was impossible to make that call in the fraction of a second that it happened.

a reply to: BeyondBlessed

Do you want our paramedics to put there life on the line. They enter equally dangerous environments.police are human, they don't wan to die, nor do they feel the job requires a life on the line mentality

a reply to: theNLBS

Explain to me what his criminal past has to do with him getting shot to death?
Why post that?

So what about his past. Are you trying to paint a picture supporting the policemans actions?

a reply to: rossacus

What perspective would that be exactly?

What has his past got to do with him being shot to death?

a reply to: SecretKnowledge
His criminal past has everything to do with it. It's the whole reason the policeman was there to begin with. His history of weapons would help the officer take appropriate measures when approaching the guy. His mental state and desire to not have a mental evaluation help contribute to the overall picture.

I can't believe you actually said so what about his past. If anything it helps us on ATS have a broader picture of the circumstances that led to his shooting. If his criminal past was shooting a cop would that information not be relevant?

a reply to: SecretKnowledge
We now know what the cop knew at the time. Jeez

a reply to: starviego
Lol his description is a little drama queenish, more gardeners killed on the job. No disrespect though, it's a tough thankless job at times no doubt. And to his point..why are we here now in terms of police/public relations..something has changed over the last decade or two and I think it boils down to accountability.

The cop had back up. The cop had his gun drawn on his back. The cop is a "trained" individual. The cop in his training had the clear upper advantage. If the "suspect" had a gun in his waistband and was going for it the cop had the drop. There was no gun. That was murder.

About me. Ex-cop who has drawn down on felons with guns who never shot anyone. I supported Darren Wilson and the judicial findings. I am logical.

Folks can disagree with me and call me names and I am ok with that.

The cop was wrong.

This has got to be one of the most shocking videos I've ever watched, literally watching a man bleed out because of some rookie move a cop pulls. Yeah they guy should of done this and that, but the same can be said for the police, who had back-up, obviously they didn't see a weapon, I didnt, and I watched the intial contact a few times to see, if the guy was pulling anything out, besides his pants, Nothing. So I don't get why the cop even fired the shot, He wasnt coming at the officer, he was backing away. I dont care what anyone says, this is, as plain as day to me, MURDER. I dont even see how anyone can justify this shooting, No way, no how. Oh because if the police wait, its to late, to late for what, he wasnt carrying. If that was every officers judgement, we'd all be dead, everytime anyone got pulled over, dont wait, just shoot. Come on people

a reply to: BlastedCaddy

Isn't that the point though. He had the drop and dropped him, thinking he had a gun.

Yes in hindsight he was wrong, and possibly with normal sight, but even a split second hesitation is the difference between a trigger being pulled and not being pulled

a reply to: Glassbender777

So after watching the clip multiple times you came to that conclusion. I bet the cop wished he had the same luxury as you. Not that I agree with what the cop done, it's just all these posts refer to seeing something in a video.