Has a foundation of the Bible influenced our past/present research on UFO's/Extra Terrestrials?

How different would NASA be if the spread of the Bible did not succeed as it did?

Judaism and Christianity has a potential to extrapolate an Ancient Alien Theory but in reality Judaism and Christianity believes in Heaven, Hell, Angels, and Demons. Unlike religions of all the classic examples of the Ancient Alien Theory, with Sumerians, Egyptians, Mayans, Incas, Nazca Indians, Native Americans, Hinduism, Australian Aborigines, and many more that have a factual understanding of the cosmos.

Ancient Christian astronomy, explanation of the Universe, and life on Earth has long been debated, and we know science is fact, since we don't teach Creationism in school and Nasa does not use Creationism to study the Universe.

The United States of America has deep roots in Christianity, such as our money states In God We Trust, the Pledge of Allegiance, and in court we put our hand on the Christian Bible to swear on oath. I'm sure there are more examples of the Bible in past and present US society.

In our search for UFO's and Extra Terrestrial life, our lack of finding evidence makes one to think of us possibly being alone in the Universe, giving more hope to the Judaism/Christian belief we are created by God.

Did science assume this in the first place and science had to debunk the claims of the Bible?

Can you imagine a reality where science had a foundation of indigenous belief in stead of Judaism or Christianity? Would we be more honest about our approach for the search for life in the Universe, UFO sightings, and Extra Terrestrials?

Interestingly enough, information on any possible religious background for J Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee is not easy to find on the internet. Hyena's parent's were Czech so possibly a Roman Catholic influence in his childhood, and Jacques Vallee possibly Catholic too being from France.

However these scientist have more info:

Enrico Fermi, according to his wiki page he was an agnostic, however came from a roman catholic family, his wife was jewish, and he was a free mason.

First discussed in 1950, 3 years after Roswell, The Fermi Paradox:

the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilization and humanity's lack of contact with, or evidence for, such civilizations.

Next we have Michael Hart, and according to use wiki page it states the following:

In 1975, he published a paper suggesting humans are the only intelligent life in our home galaxy. He argued that habitable planets existed for several billion years before life began on Earth and, if intelligent life were commonplace, those earlier life forms would have colonized the whole galaxy in a few hundred million years. Since this has not happened, evidently, he concluded intelligent life is rare.

Michael Hart is also jewish and apparently believes in segregation:

Hart organized a conference held in Baltimore in 2009 with the title, Preserving Western Civilization. It was billed as addressing the need to defend "America's Judeo-Christian heritage and European identity" from immigrants, Muslims, and African Americans.

Hmmmmm.....interesting....

According to Frank Drake's wiki page

He reports that he considered the possibility of life existing on other planets as an eight-year-old, but never discussed the idea with his family or teachers due to the prevalent religious ideology.

Well...ok...

Next we have Carl Sagan, and his wiki page states:

According to Sagan, they were Reform Jews, the most liberal of North American Judaism's four main groups. Both Sagan and his sister agreed that their father was not especially religious, but that their mother "definitely believed in God, and was active in the temple ... and served only kosher meat."

Ok...next...

According to Albert Einstein's wiki page

Einstein was a figurehead leader in helping establish the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, which opened in 1925, and was among its first Board of Governors. Earlier, in 1921, he was asked by the biochemist and president of the World Zionist Organization, Chaim Weizmann, to help raise funds for the planned university.

However

He called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist.

Even though

The Einsteins were non-observant Ashkenazi Jews. Albert attended a Catholic elementary school from the age of 5 for three years.

So Enrico Fermi, Michael Hart, Frank Drake, Carl Sagan, Albert Einstein, all have strong ties or spent their childhood in religion, namely Judaism.

According to the following source

Christianity has a close relationship with Judaism, both historically and theologically. Jesus, the twelve disciples, the author of most of the New Testament, and the members of the earliest Christian churches were all Jews. Jesus' family followed Jewish customs and Jesus frequently quoted the Hebrew Bible. Jesus' followers believed him to be the Messiah, a Jewish figure predicted in the Jewish Bible.

Despite its Jewish origins, it was not long before Christianity regarded itself as something other than a new Jewish sect. The first Christian council, convened by the apostles, concluded that pagan converts to Christianity did not have to follow Jewish ritual laws. Soon, converts to Christianity were almost exclusively pagans and Christianity moved further away from Judaism. Today, theological disagreements between Christians and Jews remain, but efforts are being made towards greater understanding and respect between the two great faiths.

1. 2,173,180,000 Christians (31% of world population), of which 50% are Catholic, 37% Protestant, 12% Orthodox, and 1% other.

2. 1,598,510,000 Muslims (23%), of which 87-90% are Sunnis, 10-13% Shia.

3. 1,126,500,000 No Religion affiliation (16%): atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion. One-in-five people (20%) in the United States are religiously unaffiliated.

4. 1,033,080,000 Hindus (15%), the overwhelming majority (94%) of which live in India.

5. 487,540,000 Buddhists (7%), of which half live in China.

6. 405,120,000 Folk Religionists (6%): faiths that are closely associated with a particular group of people, ethnicity or tribe.

7. 58,110,000 Other Religions (1%): Baha’i faith, Taoism, Jainism, Shintoism, Sikhism, Tenrikyo, Wicca, Zoroastrianism and many others.

8. 13,850,000 Jews (0.2%), four-fifths of which live in two countries: United States (41%) and Israel (41%).


World Population Source

Thoughts? Feel free to add any historical facts I left out, or details about the lives of our UFO/ET scientists. I look forward to the discussion.

a reply to: game over man

I dont see how the bible has influenced Nasa at all externally. If Nasa's research where done from a biblical perspective, they would assume ET life to be angelic in nature, yet Nasa is looking for Goldie Locks planets according to the Darwinian model. I do think that Nasa knows things about biblical history that are true, but they wont openly admit it. There goal would be to suppress biblical knowledge, not support it.

So Sagan was a Christian?

What is the point you are trying to make?

Christian = bad?

You might find a couple other related threads here.

I find the Fermi Paradox interesting, of course the Paradox is only valid IF you have unrestricted access to all information (unaltered in anyway) that could possibly pertain to ETs? Since no one person has access to all possible information that could bear on the ET question the Fermi paradox is quite weak.

This is especially true when great scientists, like Fermi, often reject some of better documented cases of UFOs, without an in-depth investigation. Even Einstein stated, in regards to the 1952 overflights of Washington D.C., that he did NOT wish to know what they were. (It was printed in one of the local papers from that time)

In regards to Dr. Hart's comments, extrapolating what humans would consider as a rational galactic colonization strategy might be seen very differently by other intelligent beings. Not to mention he tends to ignore some of better UFO cases.

Not all videos, images, or accounts that purport to be that a UFO are real and that of an ET UFO, BUT, I don't believe the inverse either.

originally posted by: game over man
How different would NASA be if the spread of the Bible did not succeed as it did?

Judaism and Christianity has a potential to extrapolate an Ancient Alien Theory but in reality Judaism and Christianity believes in Heaven, Hell, Angels, and Demons. Unlike religions of all the classic examples of the Ancient Alien Theory, with Sumerians, Egyptians, Mayans, Incas, Nazca Indians, Native Americans, Hinduism, Australian Aborigines, and many more that have a factual understanding of the cosmos.

Factual? What exactly do you mean and in regards to Judaism was not or is not? Really a good deal of talk about the cosmos by the Hebrews, constellations, sun and moon as time keepers ect, ect.

a reply to: game over man

Can you imagine a reality where science had a foundation of indigenous belief in stead of Judaism or Christianity? Would we be more honest about our approach for the search for life in the Universe, UFO sightings, and Extra Terrestrials?

Interesting question.

I think the opposite can also be said.... Judaism and the religions that followed are what paved the way for the western civ we have now. Individualism, the self, social barriers (marriage, jobs, law) are a by product of these religions. Before this it was all about free rape, slavery, child sacrifice to appease moloch/baal etc...

You mentioned NASA. In essence, NASA is also a by product of western civilization, a civilization that was built on the principles of religion.
Maybe religion is the space program..... only a really really long space program... one that is designed for primitive species that require thousands of years of trial and error to gain type 1 civ status and 'NASA' is simply an inevitability

a reply to: combatmaster

Ok you understand my point...I'm asking other's what would our search for Extra Terrestrials and UFO's be like if our Western Culture didn't have such a heavy background with Christianity, i.e. believing in Heaven, Hell, Angels, and Demons....compared to other religions who actually believed in their Gods coming from the physical location of the stars in our Universe, and not from some other dimension like Heaven and Hell.

Or correct me if I'm wrong is there an actual star that is Heaven? I don't think so...Or is there an actual star that is Hell? I don't think so...

I apologize for not referencing the ancient cultures who do have religion and mythology stating their Gods come from specific places in the Universe. And those same cultures having a strong understanding of the Solar System, as opposed to the Sun revolving around the Earth in the center of the Universe.

Anyways if we lived in a world not dominated by the aforementioned biblical religions, and the planet was more influenced by the religions of cultures who believed their Gods came from specific stars, whom visited earth...I conclude our search for UFO's and Extra Terrestrials would not be so biased..........

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I didn't say NASA directly uses the Bible to look for Extra Terrestrials and UFO's. I said the background to the scientists involved with NASA, were born into the faith of the bible. They were born into christian/jewish/catholic families, they observed the belief system at a young age. They weren't born into the beliefs of the Native Americans...They weren't born into the belief system of the Polynesians, or Sumerians. So I'm saying if the Bible never became the most popular book of all time, I think we would still have NASA...and I think the scientists would have a different perspective on searching for Extra Terrestrials and UFO's. Without having centuries of influence from the bible, their observations of the Universe would be different, inspired from cultures who believed in Gods coming from physical places in the Universe, rather than the definition of existence that the Bible explicitly explains.

a reply to: deloprator20000

I agree! When making this thread I thought it was really interesting how the timing of the Fermi Paradox was the same time as the wave of UFO's in the US...I'm not sure if his biased thinking is from an early childhood of some sort of western religion or being around other Christians/Jews/Catholics...How would Enrico Fermi view the Paradox if he was instead in the company and being influenced of the Nazca people for example, at level as significant as the Bible. I think it would be a completely different ball game today with the search for Extra Terrestrials and UFO's.

a reply to: Logarock

You mind sharing some links? Does Judaism not have the same Creation story as Christianity? One example is the Egyptians who built the pyramids weren't Christian/Jewish/Catholic and they had a very advanced understanding of the Universe. Imagine if our world was greatly influenced by ancient Egyptian religion instead of the Bible. How would NASA change? I think it would be quite different in regards to searching for Extra Terrestrials and UFO's.

a reply to: game over man

But you base all this on the assumption that any alien entity you meet will be flesh and blood and based in this dimension.

Suppose your 5 senses cannot comprehend the nature or make-up of said being.... what then? how would you even know it was next to you?

97% of the universe is dark matter... matter that science cannot measure... catch the drift?

There are many threads on this on ATS.... have a read... your assumptions of alien beings are lagging in 90's mode!

No offense

a reply to: game over man


The OT is full of extra terrestrials. Lots of them. All sorts.

a reply to: combatmaster

You're referencing intelligent life from a different dimension that our 5 senses could not comprehend which is the same as God residing in Heaven and actually existing. I completely know about the trend on ATS of not believing in flesh and blood aliens and believing in intelligent life from a different dimension. That belief is popular becomes Jacques Vallee changed his opinion on what he thinks UFO's are. Everyone is just jumping on that bandwagon.

This thread is about if the bible were non-existant in our culture. How different would NASA be? Even CERN, would we name something the God Particle? Indigenous cultures had a much different view of the underworld, animal spirits, etc. than Christianity...I'm sure those fields would have much better research too if the bible never had the influence it had.

a reply to: Logarock

What is the OT in reference to Judaism? I already stated that you can extrapolate Ancient Alien Theory from Christianity/Judaism/Catholicism...that's not the point...

a reply to: game over man

Well... nobody is jumping on any bandwagon... we just realize what is more or less feasible.

if the bible were non-existant in our culture. How different would NASA be? Even CERN, would we name something the God Particle? Indigenous cultures had a much different view of the underworld, animal spirits, etc. than Christianity...I'm sure those fields would have much better research too if the bible never had the influence it had.

But if u need it spelled out for you, here it is.... there would probably be no CERN or NASA.... wihtout the bible there is no guarantee that we would have evolved past primitive child sacrificing tribes! thats the truth..... i mean look at how we still find indigenous people in the amazon (no nasa or cern for them cos they are not following those same principls that the western world did for 3000 years!)

from combatmaster

But if u need it spelled out for you, here it is.... there would probably be no CERN or NASA.... wihtout the bible there is no guarantee that we would have evolved past primitive child sacrificing tribes! thats the truth..... i mean look at how we still find indigenous people in the amazon (no nasa or cern for them cos they are not following those same principls that the western world did for 3000 years!)

I don't see the connection with bible and advancements of civilisations as strong as you seem to see. All religions have contributed much to every culture in the past, but to say that the bible is the main reason of advancements in civilisations is just not right. Things are much more diverse.

originally posted by: ilpero



from combatmaster

But if u need it spelled out for you, here it is.... there would probably be no CERN or NASA.... wihtout the bible there is no guarantee that we would have evolved past primitive child sacrificing tribes! thats the truth..... i mean look at how we still find indigenous people in the amazon (no nasa or cern for them cos they are not following those same principls that the western world did for 3000 years!)

I don't see the connection with bible and advancements of civilisations as strong as you seem to see. All religions have contributed much to every culture in the past, but to say that the bible is the main reason of advancements in civilisations is just not right. Things are much more diverse.

I would have to agree here. I believe it's a bit presumptuous to say that we would still be primitive to the point of sacrificing children if not for the bible. There's no denying the bible played a big part in our history, but we would still have evolved as a civilization without the bible around to play the role of a moral compass.

a reply to: Collekt

but to say that the bible is the main reason of advancements in civilisations is just not right.

I didnt say it is the MAIN reason..... there is no main reason we advanced to the point that we did apart from our natural tendency to evolve this way (given our principles). I do, however, believe that it is a big part of what kick-started us into this direction.

a reply to: ilpero

There's no denying the bible played a big part in our history, but we would still have evolved as a civilization without the bible around to play the role of a moral compass.

I never said any different... i agree. We still would've evolved as a civilization, albeit a far more different one than our current civilization as we know it today.
Im guessing more of a hunger games type scenario. More scientifically advanced... sure! Less humane?... You bet ya!

originally posted by: stosh64
So Sagan was a Christian?

What is the point you are trying to make?

Christian = bad?

You might find a couple other related threads here.

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