911 and the Media

There are many programs by the MSM that can be accessed on You Tube that are legitimate, asked hard questions about collusion, conflicts of interest and outright corruption and while the charges almost always go unanswered, the facts are still presented and pretty damning....

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a reply to: BennyHavensOh

Here's an interview on C-Span



This guy speaks and shows a lot of sense and it looks so obvious that 9/11 was an inside and or sideways job with the bloody Israeli's and Saudi's being involved!

a reply to: samkent

Because anyone who believes a Youtube video is a valid source needs their head examined.

a reply to: samkent

Pretty infantile argument here. Seems rather contrived.

This is not North Korea. We are supposed to live in a democracy and have a right to free speech. So no, there will be no default banning of anything 911 related yet it is painfully clear that countermeasures are still in full effect.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: samkent

Because anyone who believes a Youtube video is a valid source needs their head examined.

That is a silly statement from an OS proponent.

Youtube videos can include newsreel from MSM sources. So those can't be trusted?

a reply to: Jchristopher5

I don't trust anything on Youtube, including newsreel clips. Videos are so easily prone to be edited that it isn't even funny. Any yahoo can buy (or pirate) some video editing software and make a halfway decent video saying whatever craziness comes to mind.

The only valid evidence, especially for something that can be confirmed or denied scientifically (like the events on 9/11), is actual objective and scientific evidence.

Not sure why you'd suggest that an OS proponent would need to rely on Youtube? It's the truthers who tend to heavily rely on Youtube, not the OSers. We have things like the NIST report, large collections of Physics models that say that the building CAN fall as they did if hit by planes, and other things that AREN'T Youtube videos to rely on. If all you have is Youtube videos then you might as well not be talking because you have nothing comparable to legit evidence.

Even with newsreel clips, I'd rather read the transcripts than watch a video of it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


The only valid evidence, especially for something that can be confirmed or denied scientifically (like the events on 9/11), is actual objective and scientific evidence.

That may have been possible back in the old days when we were young and naïve, but today technology has undermined the very possibility of "evidence" being real in the first place. Take into consideration "expert" testimony, research and studies backing anyone or an entity with enough cash to get what they paid for, and I put it to you that there IS NO proof, only spin.

a reply to: BennyHavensOh

Then maybe the public will just never know what really happened. Though I bet you it is likely something along the lines of what the mainstream account says happened. Though the likelihood of these guys having additional players behind the scenes who pulled some strings is likely. I just don't believe it was some super secret cabal within the US government. If anything, it was likely some businessman (of any nationality) who bankrolled the event to make money profiting off the destruction. Said businessman may have knew a few contacts within the state that allowed things to be obscured or something, but the corruption within the state in regards to this event is probably pretty small.

originally posted by: samkent
Riddle me this:
If the all the worlds media is controlled by TPTB . . .
Why is Youtube allowed to continue?

Some say we have been fed everything we need to know about 911 via government controlled media.
These same people feel news outlets in other countries are guided away from 911 stories by the same TPTB.
But videos like Loose Change are allowed to circulate via Youtube.

As Kim Jong un knows to keep control you have to crush all forms of opposition.
If this were North Korea people like Dylan Avery would have been put in front of AA guns the day after posting his video.

Almost every thread in the 911 section comes with TY videos to support their side of the argument.
And yet no censorship?

Why is this?

Because there is not and never has been a conspiracy to begin with.

Do you notice that your thread only has five flags and two pages of replies? If your thread had some speculation on yet another unproven ridiculous theory regarding 911, your thread would have many more flags and replies.

It's not popular to use logic or anything like that.

Good questions though. S&F for you.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are willing to look beyond the canned garbage and you have respect from me for considering the possibilities. A lot of what ours or any governments do is secrets, not because they necessarily hide their actions, but because Joe Sixpack just doesn't give a damn and does not do very much thinking. Governments, even small town ones, do much planning out of issues that change people's lives as part of their normal daily operations. When the Federal government launches a new war, it nonchalantly decides to send thousands of young men and women to their deaths and hundreds of thousands or even millions of the "enemy" to their demise as well. Even Barry-O stands proudly at the microphone when he announces a new drone strike with "collateral" damage, as he touts his ability at killing people. Men like this can only be trusted to do one thing and that is to take care of themselves at the expense of all others.

a reply to: BennyHavensOh

Of course, we don't have the full story on any event that has happened in history. All we have are primary, secondary, and tertiary sources to judge things by. Provided those sources are telling the truth shapes our view of history. However, humans are natural liars. They omit things either intentionally or unintentionally. So to say that we don't have the full picture of what happened on 9/11 is a certainty.

Though that doesn't mean that everything about the mainstream account is a lie. People also are prone to telling the truth more often than lie, or at least desire to. This includes politicians (after all they are human too). So we likely know a good 60 - 80% of the story. Four planes were hijacked by Middle Eastern terrorists. Two were flown into the towers in New York, one into the Pentagon, and the final was retaken by the hostages and flown into a field in PA. But inside that account are further details that are unknown and not thoroughly explored. It would be nice if the truther movement would explore things like that instead of focusing on vast government conspiracies.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Four planes were hijacked by Middle Eastern terrorists.

Apparently! That's what Bush and the Media say.

Two were flown into the towers in New York

Again apparently! Although there is video footage to confirm this it's still questionable as some videos look fake and some witness testimonies say there weren't any planes. And whilst this sounds a bit crazy there is always a possibility that there weren't any planes. Not sure if I agree with that so further investigation is required.

The story of the Hijacker passport being found on the street after surviving an apparent impact and subsequent collapse into dust is most definitely STUPID and most probably made up!

one into the Pentagon

Again apparently as just after the impact there was no proof a plane was near the Pentagon. No Wings, Tail, Engines, Fuselage, Bodies, Seats etc. Only a hole no more than 20 foot wide that couldn't have possibly be made by a large aircraft. And the windows either side of the hole were never even smashed. Kinda strange given the wingspan of the apparent aircraft!

and the final was retaken by the hostages and flown into a field in PA

Another apparently. A Large aircraft made of Aluminium CANNOT bury itself in the ground. Initially after the apparent Mole aircraft disappeared into the ground there was no wreckage of any kind and the big crease it left was actually there before.

I'm having a hard time believing anything about 9/11 other than the fact nearly 3,000 people were murdered!

And your right people are natural liars especially our Governments and Terror Agencies! History should teach us not to believe anything the Government and Media tells us especially with their past track records!

I'm not getting at you or anyone else regarding 9/11. I'm just giving my opinion on this as I find it very hard to believe that 9/11 was anything other than a False Flag attack. Done by the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The 3 go together like Cookies and Cream or in their case Terrorism and War!

a reply to: Nova937

Actually there is definitive proof of all of those things. Especially the pentagon one. Most of the photos that you see without plane wreckage are just selected from the many more that DO show plane wreckage. Though I guess if you selectively look at photos you can come up with whatever argument you want.

Like I said, I believe most of the mainstream account. It's just some of the finer details that I have trouble believing.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Like the miracle of the surviving passport? Do u believe that one? Or the fact that a large aircraft can fold itself up like origami and disappear through a 20 foot wide hole?

What finer details?

a reply to: Nova937

Passport myth

Hunt the Boeing!

What exactly have you researched or are you just believing what other conspiracy theorists have told you?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Nope sorry! Don't buy these explanations. They defy logic and physics. Like the WTC-7 demolition. Oh sorry I meant collapse due to office fires. Contrary to witness testimony like Barry Jennings and the other guy he was with.

There are too many inconsistencies and unbelievable explanations in the 9/11 official story. And all these explanations contradict Witness testimonies. I've looked at the documentaries both mainstream and independent. I've read a heap of books from various researchers and so called experts and OS'rs.

It doesn't make sense. But in saying that what makes sense is that this was all planned long ago. The same as the London Bombings 7/7/2005. That was planned too and like 9/11 had the exact same scenario drills going on the same day or just before.

And the Witnesses say the opposite of the Official narrative. All credible and professional people.

Most of my opinions on 9/11 are based on Witness testimony on the day of 9/11 and after interviews. And NOT on what I am told to think by the media and Government!

originally posted by: Nova937
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Nope sorry! Don't buy these explanations. They defy logic and physics. Like the WTC-7 demolition. Oh sorry I meant collapse due to office fires. Contrary to witness testimony like Barry Jennings and the other guy he was with.

Lol this response clearly shows that you didn't read either of those two links.

There are too many inconsistencies and unbelievable explanations in the 9/11 official story. And all these explanations contradict Witness testimonies. I've looked at the documentaries both mainstream and independent. I've read a heap of books from various researchers and so called experts and OS'rs.

Yea all those truthers selling books wouldn't lie to you right?

It doesn't make sense. But in saying that what makes sense is that this was all planned long ago. The same as the London Bombings 7/7/2005. That was planned too and like 9/11 had the exact same scenario drills going on the same day or just before.

What doesn't make sense is people believing that anything but planes hit those 3 buildings. Also no they didn't have the same scenario drills going on... That is just corrective history.

And the Witnesses say the opposite of the Official narrative. All credible and professional people.

A few witnesses may have conflicting accounts, but the majority of witnesses agree with the events that happened. Singling out the one or two that say other stuff as proof of your "conspiracy" is fallacious.

Most of my opinions on 9/11 are based on Witness testimony on the day of 9/11 and after interviews. And NOT on what I am told to think by the media and Government!

You should base it on actual physics and engineering instead. Witnesses don't know what they see and it is WIDELY known that witness testimony is almost ALWAYS wildly conflicting. You just sound like someone who wants to believe no matter what. I'm not here to prove this silly conspiracy wrong anyways. If you want to believe that the government is out to get you, fine. Be paranoid. It's just a shame that your paranoia just dilutes your eyes to how things really work. Tbh I'd prefer that the government was out to get us or the NWO ran things from behind the scenes, it's preferable to how reality ACTUALLY works...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's not paranoia. I know the Government is corrupt. I know they are into everything that is bad.

Your right about the NWO. A New World Order does exist. That is plainly obvious! Any idiot can see that fact.

But are they out to get us? Not sure about that actually. Are they doing things like 9/11 to justify actions that the public would strongly disagree with? Very much so Yes!

The physics and engineering explanations of how 3 Towers came down is just ludicrous. To Me!

You said:

Yea all those truthers selling books wouldn't lie to you right?

Actually I downloaded them.

And may I respond with this?

"Would your Government Lie To You just to invade 7 countries in 5 years?"

And the witnesses I was talking about were Barry Jennings etc and the Fire Fighters who survived the 'collapsing' towers! Are they just conflicting with the Official narrative because they are mistaken in what they saw and heard?

I had a look at your links. They are still up there in my tabs for me to look further. Still don't buy it!

I'm not paranoid. I'm just interested!

a reply to: Nova937

One of my most damning testimonies was by firefighter John Schroeder's interview at 20:50 of the third CD of the 911 The New Pearl Harbor film. He describes the explosion in the lobby long after the plane had impacted the tower and he specifically refers to the bomb blast and the cellphone video completely negates the jet fuel fireball lie. How can anybody listen to the people inside the building and simply blow their testimony off? Oh well, the objective at all costs I suppose.

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originally posted by: Nova937
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's not paranoia. I know the Government is corrupt. I know they are into everything that is bad.

Yes, it is paranoia. The government is corrupt, but not to the degree that you are suggesting.

Your right about the NWO. A New World Order does exist. That is plainly obvious! Any idiot can see that fact.

Actually I specifically said that the NWO doesn't exist. That is too simple of an answer to explain what is going on. Plus it elevates human behavior by making certain humans better than others. After all, why would you think that the elite aren't just as short-sighted as everyone else? Nah. Only the elite somehow has the ability to plan things many generations into the future and make sure that each generation is fully educated to the plan and 100% on board, secrecy and all. After all, the elite has NEVER had to deal with rebellious teenagers or anything.

But are they out to get us? Not sure about that actually. Are they doing things like 9/11 to justify actions that the public would strongly disagree with? Very much so Yes!

The physics and engineering explanations of how 3 Towers came down is just ludicrous. To Me!

Of course they are, you believe those guys selling books telling you that they are ludicrous. Have you actually done the calculations yourself to see if they really are ludicrous though?

Actually I downloaded them.

They are still selling books, whether you paid for them or not. That is dubious enough in my book. If these were people REALLY trying to get their message out, they'd do it for free. Look at Edward Snowden, someone who ACTUALLY revealed a government conspiracy. I notice that none of these book authors are having to flee the country because they've exposed nefariousness within the government.

And may I respond with this?

"Would your Government Lie To You just to invade 7 countries in 5 years?"

Certainly. The reasons we went to Iraq were ALL trumped up lies, but I don't for a second believe that the lies used to get us into Iraq were related to anything that happened on 9/11. That was just Idiot Jr. taking advantage of the nation's state of heightened fear to play cowboy while his VP used it as an opportunity to make his mercenary companies TONS of money.

And the witnesses I was talking about were Barry Jennings etc and the Fire Fighters who survived the 'collapsing' towers! Are they just conflicting with the Official narrative because they are mistaken in what they saw and heard?

It's possible. No one is perfect.

I had a look at your links. They are still up there in my tabs for me to look further. Still don't buy it!

I'm not paranoid. I'm just interested!

Oh cool, a catch phrase. By the way, being "interested" only works when you are willing to admit when these interests don't pan out. Having confirmation bias is when you argue for the argument regardless of counter evidence presented. For example: dismissing links without even reading them.