You guessed it! Those Rohingya Boat People are coming to the US!

a reply to: purplemer

The difference is there was no means of public voicing of receivership of those boats. Had there been, my Irish ancestors would likely have been turned away.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: pheonix358

There is a big difference to coming in legally or coming in illegally

Not sure about that really. Whats legal about invading someones legal home setting up new laws and then telling other people they cant come

Since we're all playing games, I guess you mean that as the Native American population of the time did not stop the invading forces, that your current population should also not stop anyone invading?

Or did the Native American people actively state their opposition towards the superior forces who came with modern technology of the time?

If the Native American population did indeed protest, then you have no point.

I am sure, history sides with my opinion.... so nah, not gunna take this "you're immigrants too, so stfu" baloney... and we welcome people of all walks of life in my country here, yet we're still called racist when we refuse to accept illegal immigrants and prefer to identify them rather than let in a whole slew of unknown, potentially dangerous, people.

you can put your rose coloured glasses back on though...

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: starviego

I guess most of you have forgotton that your families too where on boats once traveling to a new land. What the hell is the difference...

There is a big difference to coming in legally or coming in illegally.

P

I doubt the Aboriginals would agree that European settlement complied with there 40 thousand year old law of the land. In fact, I think they'd probably consider it a violent invasion.

We're all immigrants.

I'm not. I was born in Australia. You can feel free to consider yourself part of an invading force if you wish, but remember, you WON the invasion. Are you going to let your hard efforts fighting against the Aboriginal people go for nothing, as you now become invaded by foreign cultures?

Me, I'm going to strive to keep my country. I like it here.

a reply to: purplemer

That's known as The American Way. Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine.....

Share when you can, receive from others when you cannot.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Head up to the north west, towns like Fitzroy crossing all even Derby and then you tell me. Its like a 3rd world country up there.

So they once had an entire continent, and now have a small area. Sounds like it did not work out well for them.

Who are *they* ?

One tribe, or the many many tribes that did not get along, and had very violent clashes?

Every time someone tries to pull a remote community out of poverty and boost it, it is considered racist and arrogant, and anything provided goes to waste. The world then sees the waste and says "bad Australians, look how you treat the poor Aborigines..." and point their fingers.

Frankly, had any other nation come to Australia over4 200 years ago, and decided to set up shop, we'd not be having this discussion in regards to Aborigines.. unless we were discussing history books. and likely speaking Indonesian.

originally posted by: TonyS

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
America doesn't even have to take in these refugees, but you could use your power and influence to maybe pressure other countries in the region to help out. Instead of all this macho stance of " this is my land find your own" with your proud american chests puffed out. I know your all tough guys over there who despise the weak, but your country has a lot of power that can be used for good. Just a thought.

An understanding of what is going on in the US requires an understanding of the perspective of many US Americans over the age of say....45 years of age, i.e., that US Citizenship is a "birth right" and that therefore the US is "Their" country. There's another odd line of thought operating in the background and that is that one's luck in where they are born determines their prospects in life. So...if you're born in a crap hole third world pit of despair, you live and die in poverty because, after all, you were born in a crap hole third world pit of despair.

What these people don't understand and can't possibly support is that the US and World "Elites", since about 1965, determined that the whole idea of the Nation State and its accompanying "this is my country" thinking had been a major contributing factor to world wars. And they realized that the horrendous income gap and wealth gap between the third world and the first world nations was unsupportable and damaging to human kind as a whole.

What's happening now is that the US Elites are playing out this agenda, openning US Borders to refugees of all types, (economic as well as political) from all parts of the world. Combined with the exportation of high paying US Manufacturing jobs to the third world will ultimately level the income/wealth gap between the third world and the first world such that the whole of humanity will live in nations of second world economic status. What's also known is that as countries move up the economic ladder, birth rates in those countries plummet to at or below replacement level. This will result in a world population number that doesn't over burden the Earth's carrying capacity.

As this agenda progresses, the whole concept of the "Nation State" and "National Sovereignty" goes out the window. But what also changes is that people come to realize that they don't get to pick and choose who their neighbors are, that the jurisdictions they came to believe were "Their Countries" are open to immigration from the whole world and that no one can any longer call any country "their country" because they're going to share their national space with peoples from all over the world.

My "Spiritual Adviser" has pointed out that all of this "My Country", "My Nation", "I get to chose who my neighbors are" is entirely out dated and overlooks the reality of the fact that in the final analysis, none of us own anything; we can't take any of it with us. All that we really have is who we are and that's defined by the extent to which were willing to reach out and help the less fortunate. In the past we've dropped food aid on the starving in the third world so they would stay put and slowly starve to death in their third world crap hole pit of despair. When we do, they over breed which is any species response to a death and dying situation. So sending food aid alone isn't enough. What we need to do going forward is to be willing to share our space and opportunities with the economic refugees from around the world while at the same time trying to elevate the economies of the third world countries by making those economies more sustainable.

And so it goes.....

That all sounds really nice, but you are overlooking many things.

It is culture that has made the west great.

It is his we think, and how we live our lives.

Every 3rd world country could be just like every first world country.

But they won't.

They like the genocides, they like the never ending wars, they enjoy starving out their enemies.

Just the amount of aid and other relief efforts of america has been more than sufficient for Africa to be stable and rebuild.

It is obvious they don't want to, or they would.

Even when we send in our forces to try to help stabilise a region so this is possible, as soon as we leave, they revert right back to the idiocy that keeps their countries in shambles.

Their cultures are what needs to change.

Instead of living like most westerners.

They predominantly want to live like our fringe criminal types.

Until this changes nothing will change.

It is that mindset that causes failure.

Look to america, look at our ghettos.

There is no reason every single person in th em can't change their life for the better.

They don't want to.

They celebrate thugs and gangsters, they teach their kids that those are the types to emulate, their kids grow up acting the same manner and teach their kids the same way.

When simply moving out of the ghetto, and staying away from the gangsters and thugs, results in an automatic upgrade to their life.

They play victim and make excuses, instead of taking actions to improve their life.

Get job at McDonalds, move out of ghetto, get better job, buy car.

It is really that easy.

originally posted by: sn0rch

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: pheonix358

There is a big difference to coming in legally or coming in illegally

Not sure about that really. Whats legal about invading someones legal home setting up new laws and then telling other people they cant come

Since we're all playing games, I guess you mean that as the Native American population of the time did not stop the invading forces, that your current population should also not stop anyone invading?

Or did the Native American people actively state their opposition towards the superior forces who came with modern technology of the time?

If the Native American population did indeed protest, then you have no point.

I am sure, history sides with my opinion.... so nah, not gunna take this "you're immigrants too, so stfu" baloney... and we welcome people of all walks of life in my country here, yet we're still called racist when we refuse to accept illegal immigrants and prefer to identify them rather than let in a whole slew of unknown, potentially dangerous, people.

you can put your rose coloured glasses back on though...

Exactly!!!

a reply to: sn0rch

Well if immigrants were coming over here shooting us like animals, stealing our land and forcing us to speak there language and follow there religion, then you would have some kind of point.

But there not doing that. The overwhelming majority are just looking for a peaceful place to live out there lives, with a decent quality of life. I personally think everyone deserves that right.

I don't have a delusional sense of entitlement over others, simply because of where on this rock of ours I was born.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: hutch622
My rules for coming to Australia .

1- 2 years you speak the language or go home .

That goes against freedom of speech.

We have no such freedom, not recognised in any legal document anyway.

2- You swear allegiance to Australia , that is over and above your religious beliefs .

Feeble minded patriotism.

No it isn't. It's showing your determination to become part of the country you wish to become part of, and not some backseat hoser who will smile at you sideways while preaching hate towards you in secret.

Ahh yeah only when it's the host country, and that host country is western, then it's feeble minded to be a patriot. But lets all just applaud more and more cultural segregation as the influx of immigrants bleeds logic out of society.

3- Learn our national anthem , in English or go home .

I don't even know the national anthem or have any kind of interest in learning it. Its completely irreverent to modern day society.

What is modern day society? Explain it. Remember, you're a citizen of the earth, not one country.

5 You will not live within 1 kilometres of your old countrymen .

So you want a police state, where there is no freedom of movement?

You are not free to move anywhere you want, as it is. As for where someone lives, I am sure your globalist notion of how the world should be (rose coloured glasses are great for that) can see right past segregated cultural enclaves, where the seeds of discontent are watered with the help of leaders within those communities who would see those segregated cultural enclaves become major no-go zones for people not of their ilk.

6 - There is no entry by the backdoor . those caught trying to enter illegally to be banned from ever coming to Australia .

People from 3rd world countries aren't allowed to come here on airplanes. There is no such thing as a front door, its just propaganda the conservative government spits for the simple minded masses, who are incapable of logical thought.

People from 3rd world countries need to bypass a hell of a lot of places they could land on their journey to seek refuge. Yet seem to always want to make Australia their new home.

And when they are refused, scream "F*** Australia!!!" from their leaky boats or throw their children over board.

Valued citizens right there. We need 20 million more of them.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: sn0rch

Well if immigrants were coming over here shooting us like animals, stealing our land and forcing us to speak there language and follow there religion, then you would have some kind of point.

But there not doing that. The overwhelming majority are just looking for a peaceful place to live out there lives, with a decent quality of life. I personally think everyone deserves that right.

I don't have a delusional sense of entitlement over others, simply because of where on this rock of ours I was born.

But but but, I wasn't the one who brought up the fact that "we" are illegal immigrants. We are Australians. Those coming here, that you are supporting, are not interested in becoming Australian. Those who are, are welcome.

And invasion by stealth is far better than invasion by force. Slowly become the majority, slowly change the ethos, and suddenly your vote outweighs those who welcomed you.

I too do not have a delusional sense of entitlement. But I also do not want fleas in my bed, hence the dog sleeps outside.

a reply to: sn0rch

And when they are refused, scream "F*** Australia!!!" from their leaky boats or throw their children over board.

You just lost all your integrity right there.

Its been well and truly proven Howard lied about them throwing there children overboard. Ironically, so he could justify he's inhumane policy of locking up women and children behind bars, allowing them be raped and assaulted.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: hutch622

Many in Asia and around the world do not want uneducated, unskilled Muslims, in such large numbers.. If I were a none Muslim country I darn sure wouldn't.

No fear USA is here.

They continue to sow the seeds of making America unrecognizable in probably less than 2 generations... Which for some seems to be the plan.

Unrecognizable from what? A continent of Aztecs, Mayans, Cherokees, Lakota, Pawnee, Choctaw, Iroquois, Seminoles, or Chickasaw? Because those people and hundreds of other indigenous peoples are the actual "North & South Americans". Everyone else is a recent immigrant.

But hey, at least the US is a still "recognizable" in a way. At least they used the names of some tribes for their new States, like the Alibamu tribe, Iowa tribe, Dakota tribe, Otoe-Missouria tribe, Massachusett tribe, Mississippi civilization, Illinois tribe, Kansa tribe, Ute tribe, and Delaware tribe. Is that what you meant?

Exactly glad to see you have it figured out.. Everyone you mentioned was conquered either by the French, Spain, and the Europeans that followed. That is what happens when someone wants your stuff and is willing to take your life for it. We have have over 6000 people killed in the South of Thailand by, WAIT FOR IT: MUSLIMS... Who want their own state within a state with their own taxes and own laws...

But many Rohingya are fleeing their homes in western Myanmar after years of violence and discrimination at the hands of the Buddhist

What the article did not say is why the Buddhist ran them out in the first place.. It all started with some young Muslims attacking a Buddhist shop owner.. It was not the first incident... and unlike turning the other cheek after being struck the Buddhist (who were sick and tired of the religious B.S.) ran about 160,000 Rohingya out of their province... why.... because unless you submit to their brand of Islam they cannot co-exist; not there anyway.

Always easy to be A bleeding heart save the world kind of person when you are not the one having to dodge bullets and bombs. The 6000 killed were teachers, monks, kids going to school, people going to market, staying in a hotel, and military guys on patrol along with police.

YALA: -- Defence minister believes attacks staged to cause confusion, not serious damage

BOMB attacks continued to erupt in Yala's Muang district yesterday, raising the number of injured people over the past two days to 20.

Despite that, Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan believes the blasts were staged to cause a disturbance and not serious casualties or damage.

"Most of them involved just small bombs," he said.

The attacks started in Muang district at 7pm on Thursday and involved at least 20 separate blasts. Eighteen people were wounded.

Yesterday, there were five more explosions, with two people wounded. Prawit said recordings from closed-circuit cameras at multiple locations showed the bombers quite clearly.

"The Internal Security Operations Command [Isoc] and the National Police Office are working on these cases. We expect to make arrests," he said.

While most of the bombs were not powerful, the one at a Chinese cemetery uprooted three electricity poles.

A bomb disposal team found three more bombs at the spot and defused them.

Colonel Pramote Prom-in, spokesman of the Isoc Region 4's Forward Command, said most of the bomb victims sustained minor injuries. "Only three remain in hospital," he said.

In the wake of the attacks, the Fourth Army Area has ordered all local officials to step up security measures and set up more checkpoints.

"We won't impose curfews. But we are asking for co-operation from locals in giving tips-off," Pramote said.

The chief of the Fourth Army Region General Prakarn Chonlayut said the bombers might have decided to take advantage of security officials needing to focus much attention on the venue where the ongoing Thai Red Cross fair was being staged in Yala.

National police chief General Somyot Poompanmoung said it was unclear if the attacks were related to the recent car bomb at Central Festival mall on Surat Thani's Koh Samui.

Yala is one of the southernmost provinces, which has been struggling with unrest for about a decade.

In nearby Narathiwat, unknown gunmen ambushed rangers yesterday on a local road using M16 assault rifles.

The ambush resulted in a gunfight, which lasted about 10 minutes. After the attackers retreated, four rangers were left wounded. One was shot in the head. "We provide security to teachers," said team leader Sgt-Major Ekapoj Sowanna, who sustained minor injuries.

newsletter.thaivisa.com...

BOMB attacks continued to erupt in Yala's Muang district yesterday, raising the number of injured people over the past two days to 20.

Despite that, Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan believes the blasts were staged to cause a disturbance and not serious casualties or damage.

"Most of them involved just small bombs," he said.

The attacks started in Muang district at 7pm on Thursday and involved at least 20 separate blasts. Eighteen people were wounded.

Yesterday, there were five more explosions, with two people wounded. Prawit said recordings from closed-circuit cameras at multiple locations showed the bombers quite clearly.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I'm on my way as well, please have food water and a comfortable sleeping,space available also, accomedating a woman would be nice but not mandatory thanks in advance,

Common sense seems to be limited to the neighbors of the Rohingya:


www.msn.com...]Malaysia turns away 800 boat people; Thailand spots 3rd boat[/url]
"What do you expect us to do?" Malaysian Deputy Home Minister Wan Junaidi Jafaar said. "We have been very nice to the people who broke into our border. We have treated them humanely but they cannot be flooding our shores like this."

"Thai Prime Minister Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha also made it clear that his government does not have resources to host refugees.
"If we take them all in, then anyone who wants to come will come freely. "

"Despite appeals by the U.N. and aid groups, no government in the region — Thai, Indonesian or Malaysian — appears willing to take the refugees, fearing that accepting a few would result in an unstoppable flow of poor, uneducated migrants."


Once the word gets out that the idiot Americans are taking them in, this will invariably result in a massive wave of more people headed this way. Since when is it our job to solve other people's problems?

a reply to: sn0rch

If the Native American population did indeed protest, then you have no point.

sounds like you have that the wrong way around and ofc they protested your ancestors are no different from the immigrants of today.

a reply to: starviego

Hope you never find yourself stranded on a boat starving and need a place to go, remember those words on the statue....give us your tired...poor...refuges....you should be ashamed of yourself and anyone that starred this pathetic crap

I wish white liberals would stop using us native americans (I almost said indian but that would have blown a fuse in their head), as a tool in their pro-immigration arguments.

We're not your toys, tools or your excuse. We don't need you crying on our behalf, and we sure as hell don't need you "suffering" our history like you were there. Hell I wasn't even there, and guess what I'm not carrying chip on my shoulder about it either !

Really, get a better argument, one not so... Whats the word I'm looking for ? Disingenious ?

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
a reply to: starviego

Hope you never find yourself stranded on a boat starving and need a place to go, remember those words on the statue....give us your tired...poor...refuges....you should be ashamed of yourself and anyone that starred this pathetic crap

We have poor, homeless and hungry citizens. They couldn't afford to travel anywhere to get out of their misery.
We have millions of people desperately trying to find a job and to provide for their families while illegal immigrants and refugees take more and more jobs. We have elderly people who can't afford life saving medicines because they make a dollar or two above the poverty limit. We have children who can't play in their own backyards for fear of getting shot or raped.

Is this the American dream? More like a nightmare.

How wonderful it would be if America could save the world from all its problems, but she doesn't even look after her own.

a reply to: pheonix358
I hear our government pays for it.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

It's nothing of the sort.

__________

Unlike many of you, my opinions on the matter aren't anything like cut and dried, black or white.

Two of my best friends in high school came over from Cuba on a boat much like these boats...

I understand both sides of the argument. My heart says help 'em. My brain says how can we do it, without bankrupting ourselves...

Help them get off the water. The other problems can be addressed then.

Why are they leaving their homes? Maybe the answer to the problem lies there, maybe?