At Least 9 Dead and Many Injured in Biker Gang Shooting in Waco, TX

They have just placed a $1million dollar bond on every person arrested.

A lot is still unsettled. There are 170 people locked up in the McLennan County Jail, each facing $1 million bond on charges of engaging in organized crime. Some may have capital murder charges levied against them soon. Even then, the investigation could take months to finish.

Seven of the 18 people injured in the melee remained in local hospitals Tuesday, though "all are stable and most improving," according to Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Those who got out of the hospital could find themselves soon confined to a jail cell, he noted.

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Given that the police watch this group closely, it makes perfect sense, if they are really, really, stupid, to threaten the police.

a reply to: nerdyclutzyblonde

I think we are missing a LOT of information here. I instantly had a bunch of questions...From what I have gathered thus far, the police were watching these gangs head to this restaurant, so maybe the police KNEW ahead of time this was going to happen.
If that's true, then why didn't they intervene sooner? I feel like the police allowed these bikers to mingle so the likely scenario could play out. Also, how did they arrest 170 of them? The news just said the bikers sent a message threatening the lives of the cops...If that's also true, then why would they allow 170 of their guys to be arrested on the spot with NO altercation even AFTER the cops shot and killed their members?
If these bikers are as they describe to be out for blood with no fear, how can they just be arrested so easily? I mean...170 of them! I'm extremely curious to see how this plays out because it just doesn't seem right to me.

a reply to: InfinityandBeyond

Maybe the police didn't know the Bandidos would show up.

The other 4 groups that were there had no violent intent with each other, but the Bandidos are the #1 biker gang in Texas and has been for a long time. Maybe they didn't appreciate the Cossacks getting together and recruiting other Texas bike gangs.

There's a history there.

From an article in the LA Times

A Waco business owner who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation defended the Cossacks. “They were just some hardworking guys getting together to defend basic principles of America: not to be bullied,” he said. “They’re fighting about a piece of cloth, but it’s civil liberties.... Did they copyright Texas?”

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originally posted by: InfinityandBeyond
a reply to: nerdyclutzyblonde

I think we are missing a LOT of information here. I instantly had a bunch of questions...From what I have gathered thus far, the police were watching these gangs head to this restaurant, so maybe the police KNEW ahead of time this was going to happen.
If that's true, then why didn't they intervene sooner? I feel like the police allowed these bikers to mingle so the likely scenario could play out. Also, how did they arrest 170 of them? The news just said the bikers sent a message threatening the lives of the cops...If that's also true, then why would they allow 170 of their guys to be arrested on the spot with NO altercation even AFTER the cops shot and killed their members?
If these bikers are as they describe to be out for blood with no fear, how can they just be arrested so easily? I mean...170 of them! I'm extremely curious to see how this plays out because it just doesn't seem right to me.

The so clued information that you feel isn't provided, are provided at the we pages I'm posted a few pages back.


It's easy to spot, just look for the red hair and braces.

My local news stated that the autopsy showed they all had gunshot wounds to the head and torso. No one is saying for sure who put the bullets in them, though.

The police asked for a truce, which tamped down some threats. Things are looking a little calmer but it's not over, they said.

Two of the three who were released on bail have been re-arrested. The case numbers were different for some reason and shouldn't have had lower bonds. One biker is still out there so another warrant has been issued.

a reply to: masqua

They apparetly didn't appreciate the Cossacks putting on their bottom rockers. That is what have seen reported....and it makes sense. Its a turf thing. The Bandidos showed up to deal with a turf claim, if that report is true.

The Cossacks number pretty high in Texas. It would be a big play, thats for sure.

ETA: local Cossacks (who don't have a job that is keeping them here) are all headed out that way. So expect that it isn't over yet.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You're right... it'll never be over until 1 club rules all of the USA. The HA have no serious competition in Canada anymore and that unity didn't come about peacefully.

The media and cops have been saying for 2 days that bikers are headed that way, they must be walking there.

Yeah... that's the reality... the melee started at the 'Twin Peaks' restaurant & bar

... I knew the bar-grill had a notable name, but the name eluded me until reading the OP link

now I have to find the person I told the famous name was something like 'Alice's Restaurant' but was not that name, instead it was Twin Peeks (oooooh that's a dirty thought)

Cops kill white thugs. Waco isn't rioting, looting or burning the city down. Wonder why?

a reply to: -Blackout-

Yeah... it's a real mystery why the Waco population isn't rioting in the streets for bikers.

I've seen a few things on the net, nothing beyond rumours mind, that The cossacks are on somewhat friendly terms with HA.

I don't know if there is ANY truth in these allegations, but it would certainly explain a lot. No way would the Bandidos tolerate a club with friendly liks to HA to have a presence in their territory. (just as HA wouldn't tolerate it the other way round).

If true, then there may be some small potential for things to spread, but as a rule, the big clubs never go to war over the little ones, unless they're about to be patched over or something.

originally posted by: masqua
a reply to: -Blackout-

Yeah... it's a real mystery why the Waco population isn't rioting in the streets for bikers.

Well they just put a sephora (make up store) inside the local Penny's...I could do some damage!


KIDDING!

We are pretty well behaved I Waco.

originally posted by: -Blackout-
Cops kill white thugs. Waco isn't rioting, looting or burning the city down. Wonder why?

They don't know whose bullets killed who yet. Don't be like CNN reporting false and unverified stuff.

Seriously don't.

The early parts of this thread are just head shaking stuff.

First off i will say this. I have no problem with what most people would consider "gang activity"
You want to sell drugs rock on
Sell guns, no problem
Provided the goods are not stolen and the customer is willing those are not "crimes".
So i got no issue with Crypts or Bloods or Hells Angles or MS13 or whom ever making money.
The fact that so many laws are on the books to prohibit commerce is what leads to turf war and crimes.
That being said this was not the case here.
This was a dispute between two clubs and they were going to settle it at the CoC meeting.
So how did the cops know about this?
Why did they have so many officers on site so quickly?
Out of the 9 dead 8 of them were Cossacks and the majority of them were shot in the head.
How did the SWAT team happen to be in place.
How is it that these clubs knowing the presence of police in large numbers get into a fight that spilled out into the parking lot?
Why were there lots of bikes with the light on in the aftermath photos?
Why were the cops so quick to lay the blame at the feet of the restaurant owner?
How did they manage to capture 170 bikers in one mass arrest?

All of these questions lead us to some speculation that this thing is not right.
Something is amiss here? The cops are covering something up with this.
It looks like something completely different than what they are telling you.

I think the cops were aware that a dispute was going to occur and were preset to interdict the situation with direct fire. I think they had snipers in place or at least guys with rifles waiting for the bikers to hit the parking lot. i think a good many of the bikers were trying to leave the event as the fight was spreading into the parking lot and the cops opened fire on them and killed and wounded the majority of the casualties. I think this was extra-judicial activity on the part of the police and they are doing everything they can to deflect the blame on the manager and owner.

Question is why?

As I understand it, this was a region 1 meeting of COC and UCOW (United Clubs Of Waco). The region 1 Chairman is a Bandido (Gimme Jimmy). The Cossacks have been getting more bold in Texas and have been making some territory grabs. The Cossacks being the smaller club, have affiliated themselves with the Hells Angels (mortal enemies of the Bandidos) and other smaller clubs like the Scimitars.

For these reasons the Cossacks and Scimitars were obviously not welcome. The Waco PD however had intel that they were coming anyway, and tried to dissuade Twinpeaks from hosting the event to no avail. So the cops posted up expecting a skirmish, and they got it. This is just what I've pieced together so it may all be baloney, but I know one of the dumba##es in jail personally so I've been following it closely.

UCOW

COC

a reply to: MartinD28

Well... that's twist I hadn't known. Thanks for bringing some clarity as I had the understanding it was the Bandidos who were 'visiting', not the Cossacks/Scimitars.

Shows how things can get totally screwed up.

a reply to: MartinD28

My big two deals with this and the reason I am so interested in it are the following.

1. The idea that cops can simply fire into a crowd to stop activity.

This is on par with cops firing into a mass of protestors because some of the protestors were being violent.

2. That the cops can arrest everyone at an event and charge them because of the activity of a few.

This is the same as a fight breaks out at a football game so we are arresting everyone who has a specific team jersey on and charging them with assault.

This is a typical trial balloon. Especially if we see a push to make changes in the law because of this event. Eve if they don't use this for a push toward police nationalization they very well could use this to expand the already vague anti-gang laws in place. Imagine being at your next political protest or rally and the cops show up. Blast into the crowd killing 5 or 6 people then mass arrest everyone at the protest for murder!
Dont sweep this under the rug because you think its just a bunch of thug motorcycle gangs. They already have a wide array of powers because of what we allowed the police to do in the name of combating drug gangs.