5 Iranian boats fire on Singapore flag vessel.

originally posted by: haman10

You mentioned Yemen which was so off topic. But i gotta tell you : if US is allowed to meddle, if saudia is allowed to bomb, be sure we'll do what we gotta do to ensure our interests are doing fine.

Well I'd make sure you hurry up and get nukes asap, because facing off with the USA will have bad results in the long run. Best bet for Iran is stay out of Yemen for its own sake. I'm no Yank (an impartial Brit) but judging from what's happened during my life time messing with the USA is one stupid thing to do. The word Iraqified comes to mind

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: haman10

You mentioned Yemen which was so off topic. But i gotta tell you : if US is allowed to meddle, if saudia is allowed to bomb, be sure we'll do what we gotta do to ensure our interests are doing fine.

Well I'd make sure you hurry up and get nukes asap, because facing off with the USA will have bad results in the long run. Best bet for Iran is stay out of Yemen for its own sake. I'm no Yank (an impartial Brit) but judging from what's happened during my life time messing with the USA is one stupid thing to do. The word Iraqified comes to mind

In such a case , some one should stand up . if its Iran , so be it .

you cannot meddle (in way of supporting a bombing campaign and refueling some saudi jets who have caused 3000 civilians to get killed ) in yemen and then ask others not to even send some aid for the people ( on board with UN activists and red cross association + Iranian red crescent ) .

"Iran shahed" aid vessel is on it's way .

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back on topic , relations between Iran and singapore is really well . the latest about that : en.mehrnews.com...

a reply to: haman10

I agree with you Haman. Iran should be able to supply aid. The point I am making is traps get set for countries that don't play ball, once that trap is sprung then things can take a very quick and nasty turn. I am impartial here and see how traps have snared other nations in the past. Sometimes the best thing to do is keep quiet and walk on by, create a scene and the bully on the block may well strike.

a reply to: haman10

They can send aid. The coordination point is djibouti. Iran, like russia, rhinks humanitarian aid includes weapons and ammunituon.

a reply to: AllSourceIntel

In the U.S., the U.S. Marshall’s are responsible for arresting ships to take a claim, our Navy is not involved in the process.

The U.S. Coast Guard is heavily involved in that process which is a branch of the U.S. Navy so besides what point you are trying to make the Coast Guard stops the ships by force only if they are refusing to stop when suspected of running drugs or ammo, not some civil depute as court is easy and the U.S. can freeze major assets if we want to drag them into court lol. The Coast Guard would also NEVER fire at an oil tanker unless it was suspected that terrorist were trying to drive it into a U.S. harbor and use it as a weapon. Even then they would more than likely have the U.S. Navy respond with Seals or Marines to board it via chopper and stop them. You cant have a ship that large lose control at all as they take forever to turn or to stop.

U.S. Marshals can only do their job when the ship is in port. Iran is just taking advantage of a weak Obama and pushing when they need to be careful as our allies in the region will start screaming for action to be taken.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: haman10

You mentioned Yemen which was so off topic. But i gotta tell you : if US is allowed to meddle, if saudia is allowed to bomb, be sure we'll do what we gotta do to ensure our interests are doing fine.

Well I'd make sure you hurry up and get nukes asap, because facing off with the USA will have bad results in the long run. Best bet for Iran is stay out of Yemen for its own sake. I'm no Yank (an impartial Brit) but judging from what's happened during my life time messing with the USA is one stupid thing to do. The word Iraqified comes to mind

Iran played that game with Reagan and they learned a quick lesson, I think they forgot. They lost a few oil platforms and some ships in a short game of lets play Naval warfare one o one lol.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: haman10

You mentioned Yemen which was so off topic. But i gotta tell you : if US is allowed to meddle, if saudia is allowed to bomb, be sure we'll do what we gotta do to ensure our interests are doing fine.

Well I'd make sure you hurry up and get nukes asap, because facing off with the USA will have bad results in the long run. Best bet for Iran is stay out of Yemen for its own sake. I'm no Yank (an impartial Brit) but judging from what's happened during my life time messing with the USA is one stupid thing to do. The word Iraqified comes to mind

Iran played that game with Reagan and they learned a quick lesson, I think they forgot. They lost a few oil platforms and some ships in a short game of lets play Naval warfare one o one lol.

Yeah . kudos to you for taking on a Navy who was stretched to its limits by an 8 year long war .

if you think you're the protectors of singaporian rights , feel free to bring it on .

in such a situation , be sure as an Iranian ally , singapore will do all it can to ensure Iran will win the adventure .

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge
AllSourceIntel

In the U.S., the U.S. Marshall’s are responsible for arresting ships to take a claim, our Navy is not involved in the process.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge
The U.S. Coast Guard is heavily involved in that process which is a branch of the U.S. Navy so besides what point you are trying to make the Coast Guard stops the ships by force only if they are refusing to stop when suspected of running drugs or ammo, not some civil depute as court is easy and the U.S. can freeze major assets if we want to drag them into court lol. The Coast Guard would also NEVER fire at an oil tanker unless it was suspected that terrorist were trying to drive it into a U.S. harbor and use it as a weapon. Even then they would more than likely have the U.S. Navy respond with Seals or Marines to board it via chopper and stop them. You cant have a ship that large lose control at all as they take forever to turn or to stop.

U.S. Marshals can only do their job when the ship is in port. Iran is just taking advantage of a weak Obama and pushing when they need to be careful as our allies in the region will start screaming for action to be taken.

Only the U.S. Marshals are allowed to arrest a vessel in the U.S. in regards to a maritime or lien claim and no one else via Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Supplemental Rules for Admiralty or Maritim Claims and Asset Forfeiture Actions

The seizure of a vessel, with or without cargo, remains a task assigned to the Marshal. Successful arrest of a vessel frequently requires the enforcement presence of an armed government official and the cooperation of the United States Coast Guard and other governmental authorities. If the marshal is called upon to seize the vessel, it is expected that the same officer will also be responsible for the seizure of any property on board the vessel at the time of seizure that is to be the object of arrest or attachment.

The only part the Coast Guard plays is lending support, usually to move the vessel, they are not authorized to arrest ships in this manner, they can only do so to protect against other infringements of law (smuggling, immigration, fisheries, etc) and terrorism.

The U.S. Coast Guard is its own distinct branch of the armed forces, it is not part of the U.S. Navy, it use to be a part of the Transportation Department; and it is in fact, still part of DHS. Although, during wartime, it can be tasked to the Navy by Congress or at any time by the President, but it currently is not and only has been twice in its history during both World Wars.

I know we would not fire upon, and that is the wrong wording, as it should be stated, fire warning shots, on a vessel in this situation, as I have said in this thread and others similar to it. The U.S. is not Iran, and, as I have said, as long as International and Admiralty law are followed, all other policies, procedures, and methods are governed by host nation laws.

And yes, both the U.S. Coast Guard and Navy would fire upon any vessel that was deemed a threat. Absent the vessel being a significant distance at sea, getting SEAL's aboard would take to long and increase the risk. We would fire and soft kill the vessel, meaning, we would have blueprints of the vessel and fire at its engine room rendering the vessel DIW.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: haman10What Iran is doing can be found off the Somali coast with the pirates there attacking shipping. Part of me wonders if these actions by Iran aren't aimed at other parties and also if it has anything to do with Yemen.

It is not piracy, not even close seeing how judicial processes (and recognize Iranian judicial processes are different then ours) were followed in accordance with local, international, and maritime law. Even if it was decided Iran did not have claim, it would still not be piracy because of the previous mentioned processes.

The only piracy I have ever known Iran to take part of has been rouge IRGCN officers in smaller boats then those which fired warning shots on this vessel, and their targets are dhows known to be smuggling contraband into Iran.

Is a pattern emerging, possibly, I certainly would be watching for other incidents, but I don't think Iran has an agenda, ulterior motive, or targeting these vessels as proxy against anyone or anything. At this point, I simply think they are starting to collect on debts.

a reply to: haman10

singapoor is our friend and is a muslim nation last time i checked .

Better check again .

a reply to: Xcathdra

a reply to: Xcathdra
Honestly Xcat,
. I believe that too..... If you're not willing to stand up and fight for your own country why should I send my little brother the marine to potentially die for you? Now if you are willing to stand up, I do believe it's not just acceptable but that it is a MORAL IMPERATIVE for us to arm people in these situations... If responsibility western nations don't get a friggin clue soon we WILL reach the tipping point and the slide into darkness WILL BE INEVITABLE UNSTOPPABLE and coming to a city near you way sooner than you think!!!


Edit to add:
Xcathdra, I have much respect for your intelligence and even if I disagree with you usually I can at least respect your position....
. But how can you not see that the western approach to dealing with these situations has failed DOZENS OF TIMES in the last two decades?
Here's a few of the greatest hits with a few clearcut easily verifiable, and consistently occurring phenomena we see OVER And OVER followed by a quick wrap up and a few points some of the usual suspects will take umbrage with and attempt to say disproves everything else I have to say... Let me save them some time... F off you amoral delusional simpering boot lickers, better yet take some time and read up on what happened to the quisling's of the Vichy regime, and especially the low level unconnected foot soldiers of the Vichy!
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Key maxims of situations we've seen in the last two decades that western nations have made exponentially worse.
1. Whether we arm the moderates and everyday people who want nothing more than to live in peace... The nutbag psychopaths sadists extremists and criminals will be armed by intelligence agencies, corporations, less scrupulous nations with cashflow issues, and about a million other sources! Also, psychos, sadists, extremists, and nutbags have no annoying morals to prevent them from "crowdsourcing" the funds to pay for shipment after shipment of arms, munitions, and your garden variety psychopath dictator starter kits and they usually know a guy who knows a guy that can get these things.... The guy who runs the tea stand has no idea where to source rpg-7 launchers and or even the knowledge that there's a shocking variety of ammunition for them ... (you think running a tea stall prepares you to make sure you're not spending every dime your entire village had buying inert training munitions?)
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2. Humanitarian assistance that comes without the means for self defense is cruel and unusual punishment: Reality check all you're doing is prolonging the time these people can keep up high intensity fighting by funneling the medical supplies food and other logistical support those types suck at! And that isn't the bad part! Where it gets bad is that western nations and aid organizations are fairly good at actually getting this stuff into the hands of noncombatants.... Wtf do you guys think happens when the guys with guns and blue helmets drive out of the village because they have 6 more villages to do that day? Hint.... The average people who want to just live in peace now have more stuff for the armed groups to "crowdsource" usually with a gang rape or two just to remind the villagers who's really in control!
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Well known specific examples of the failure of this model for humanitarian assistance:
1. Rwanda: For once a fairly decent job of keeping the weapons from entering the area was done.... Except the SHIPPING CONTAINERS FULL OF MACHETES!!! (Bonus points if you realize that Rwanda also perfectly illustrates the futility and outright stupidity of gun control) Interesting thing about normal people who just want to live in peace, they are very unlikely to have the stomach to fight to the death with a machete EVEN TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES!
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2. Somalia: Troops from multiple nations watched in horror as the aid they distributed was stolen from the women and children who so desperately needed it! Cruel and unusual punishment rears it's head... Also even with thousands of troops under UN and their own banners actively trying to stem the tide of incoming munitions and had been for YEARS.... Sure didn't stop them from shooting down Blackhawks....

I do look at both sides of the coin on my positions. After reading this if I interpreted it correctly, Iran if they followed procedures has broken no international law in their attempts at debt collection.

An arrest of a vessel is the prerequisite for the court to establish jurisdiction. If the vessel cannot be seized, the court may have no right over the vessel. Arrest is the physical process by which, in case of the United States, a U.S. Marshal goes aboard the vessel and physically takes charge of it. The Notice of Arrest must be posted on the vessel, a copy given to the master or person in charge, as well as to the owner. Also, notice must be published in a newspaper authorized to publish legal notices. Actual notice must be given to all other lien holders who claim an interest in the vessel.

Maritime law arrest of a vessel.

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: haman10

Not if its a pattern of behavior...


What Iran is doing can be found off the Somali coast with the pirates there attacking shipping. Part of me wonders if these actions by Iran aren't aimed at other parties and also if it has anything to do with Yemen.

Which by the way Yemen is absolutely none of Irans business.

Funny you should mention Somalian pirates, the same Iranian navy has saved numerous western (that includes American) vessels from getting busted badly in gulf of aden and before it.

You mentioned Yemen which was so off topic. But i gotta tell you : if US is allowed to meddle, if saudia is allowed to bomb, be sure we'll do what we gotta do to ensure our interests are doing fine.

So no. They are our business.

Singapore can talk too. They don't need you to protect their rights in cyber space

unfortunately Iran knows nothing about minding its own dam business. China and Russia their big butt buddys. So the US should do what? Yea ok maybe when Iran gets the h*ll out of just about everywhere.

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: haman10

Not if its a pattern of behavior...


What Iran is doing can be found off the Somali coast with the pirates there attacking shipping. Part of me wonders if these actions by Iran aren't aimed at other parties and also if it has anything to do with Yemen.

Which by the way Yemen is absolutely none of Irans business.

Funny you should mention Somalian pirates, the same Iranian navy has saved numerous western (that includes American) vessels from getting busted badly in gulf of aden and before it.

You mentioned Yemen which was so off topic. But i gotta tell you : if US is allowed to meddle, if saudia is allowed to bomb, be sure we'll do what we gotta do to ensure our interests are doing fine.

So no. They are our business.

Singapore can talk too. They don't need you to protect their rights in cyber space

unfortunately Iran knows nothing about minding its own dam business. China and Russia their big butt buddys. So the US should do what? Yea ok maybe when Iran gets the h*ll out of just about everywhere.

... said pot to kettle.