Simple reason science and religion are incompatible...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing

vhb
I am not understanding what you are saying;

Phage: I'm not surprised.

Phage: what circular argument?

Did God create itself?
Yes. God existed before the human (IT created) or you would imagine God did not exist before it created the human TO DESCRIBE ITs Beingness to ITSELF *like a mirror* looking into at its own creation reflection.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
Sure.
It seems to float your boat and that's fine. It also is exactly the point of the OP.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Sure.
It seems to float your boat and that's fine. It also is exactly the point of the OP.

I suppose everyone agrees then; *unless YOU are in an open boat set on the high seas* without sails, oars and no compass.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
I have all three.
Reason, critical thinking, and science.

Also compassion. But that makes four.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing
I have all three.
Reason, critical thinking, and science.

Also compassion. But that makes four.

What are you describing; something I lack (off the rails) in understanding. It would help if you quoted your responses to the argument (if there is one). You have three or four; I have sixteen ladies in waiting.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
You specified three.

If you want to go into more detail so can I but I don't see the point.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing
You specified three.

If you want to go into more detail so can I but I don't see the point.

I see a 360 degree point view (all inclusive) try me as to detail. I am here and listening (tell me more).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I see a 360 degree point view (all inclusive) try me as to detail.

Yes. I know you are into circular logic.

I am here and listening.

To what?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I see a 360 degree point view (all inclusive) try me as to detail.

Yes. I know you are into circular logic.

I am here and listening.

To what?

I am perfectly serious as far as not just circular logic happens its more an abstract form (levels/comprehension).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

That may or not be so.
I doesn't matter since, as pointed out by the OP, our world views are incompatible.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing

That may or not be so.
I doesn't matter since, as pointed out by the OP, our world views are incompatible.

I am not the OP. World views are just figments of ones social (territorial) observation (experience within) imagination. I am YOU; the same being, just in a different local Phage experiencing YOU as you are ME. We speak is all.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I am you just in a different local Phage.

See how they run from pigs from a gun
See how they fly

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I am you just in a different local Phage.

See how they run from pigs from a gun
See how they fly

Pigs need to be armed with better weaponry and those in flight have broader wings.

Goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob g'goo



I think that sums it up nicely.

originally posted by: SuperFrog

Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved.

In my opinion, those 2 sentences sums it up and covers why our view at world will never match. Even some religious organizations, like catholic church are trying to make changes to adjust its view toward science, it is still based on preservation of belief as its solid ground.
In my opinion, this is one of reasons recent poll shows decline of religion even among Americans...

Yes, I can see the Mt. Graham Arizona Observatory from where I reside; (Vatican owned and operated) APPARENTLY the Catholics want to BE THE FIRST TO find proof of God just as much as every other religious DOGMA (just not as RICH as they are) or needs a signature of its existence 'The Trinity lives' [lies need proof] or the Catholic Church has problems/too much money to spend on a telescope worth half a billion dollars (its their money robbed from the destruction of other civilizations years ago; that interest accumulated).

a reply to: SuperFrog

Science cannot explain many things that are observed and faith is often based upon an attempt to explain particular observations, especially in the gaps that science is inadequate to explain.

The particular song lyric is reductionist and overly simplistic.

a reply to: chr0naut

I am not he?
You are not me?
We are not all together?

Are we not crying?

a reply to: chr0naut

No the purpose of religion is moral and ethics in bigger societies, in smaller communities its philosophy, its to interact as humans under the same roof not beliefs, the stories tells ethics, religion preaches morals.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I am not understanding what you are saying;

I'm not surprised.

what circular argument?

Did God create itself?
Yes.

Precisely, if God is atemporal, God can create, be Gods creator. No other entity is required.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob g'goo

I think that sums it up nicely.

The Beatles are relevant; HOW? it was a refrain, or chorus end.