Unworthy victims: Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990

a reply to: Willtell

BUT wait they send MY ASS over to save some of them and kill US off as well.
...Like a pattern.

a reply to: yuppa

It isn't just food, with sanctions the aim is trying to make the country poorer, also no medicine.
Its a powerfull tool and basically and act of war in itself.
First Saddam was the good guy so they armed/funded Saddam so he got brave enough to take on Iran.
Not soon after he was seen as the bad guy, at least you make tons of money with conflicts like those

Anyways the result of these wars after 9-11 and stuff like supporting/funding rebels to fight Assad (or terrorists) but (moderate) rebels sound better of course, is that chaos is the name of the game in a big part of the Middle east now.
But sure other ME east country's are to blaim as well, since like Saudi Arabia or Israel also likes to see that Assad is gone, Lybia and or Iran. So they are also funding/supporting certain groups.
So now again it's total chaos! Far worse then when we still had Saddam or Gaddafi.
Now we hear every day a new ship sank full with people trying to get to Europe for a better future!
Libya was a pretty nice place to live for example, Gaddafi made giant water pipes for example so that there was enough water, all that is destroyed. He gave everyone free homes to live.
But you never heard such stuff in the media, you can make look a saint look like the devil with the right media attention.



All those kids or young adults who lost close ones / grow up without parents, all easy new recruits, they have no future anyways so joining ISIS isn't that bad, at least not worse.

The reason for the wars, fighting terrorism, the result; way more TERRORism and this result anyone could see that would happen even Dick Cheney knew that:

Just a quote:

Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche

a reply to: Plugin

It's a shame what happened to Libya & Qaddafi. But you have to realize that most people don't care about domestic politics, much less international politics. So they'll never do their own research on the living conditions in other countries, much less the political alliances, competing oligarchs, or rival powerbrokers in those countries. So even though they believe that politicians and mass media are liars, they curiously believe whatever fear-mongering those same lying politicians & mass media tell them.

Venezuela & Hugo Chavez were the same way. For at least 8 straight years, Chavez donated free heating oil to 100,000 poor American families. www.digitaljournal.com... But not only do most Americans not know that, they actually hated him & what they believed to be his policies!

As for the OP: I realized a long time ago that most people have double standards when it comes to things like this. Citizens of one country will claim disgust at another country's actions, while conveniently overlooking the atrocities their own country commits. As if torturing, extraordinary rendition (abducting), and murder are perfectly fine if the "right" people are doing them. Remember, the West does drone strikes on weddings & funerals. But the majority here doesn't consider that terrorism.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

We took out 10-12K with I THINK 2500 civilian losses in Desert Storm.
I know we too a BUTT LOAD of prisoners.

4,000,000?, that's it? Well #....aren't there like 2,000,000,000+ of you?

I guess the war on terror won't end in my lifetime. *sigh*

On a side note: remember when George Bush said the war won't end on his watch, and Chenney and Rumsfeld was going on about war for generations to come. Why do you suppose they were so insightful? Because Bush proclaims to read 400 books a year? Think about.

Yeah, I wonder how many Muslims have killed Muslims? Quite a bit O imagine.

originally posted by: beezzer
And yet war continues with no sign of stopping.

Just an observation here, but it does appear that the US is better at killing people than anyone else.

And isn't that the point of war?

Kill more of them than they kill of us?

It may be the point of war.......
but most of these wars have been invasions.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

I couldn't resist, seeing that you had 1,999 flags now you have 2,000. Important topic. S/F.

==> Alas, RIP the roughly 3,000 innocent people who were killed in the WTC terror attack......
==> Alas, RIP the roughly 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis who were killed for something they didn't do, after 9-11.....

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

I couldn't resist, seeing that you had 1,999 flags now you have 2,000. Important topic. S/F.

==> Alas, RIP the roughly 3,000 innocent people who were killed in the WTC terror attack......
==> Alas, RIP the roughly 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis who were killed for something they didn't do, after 9-11.....

en.wikipedia.org...

Appreciate that mate & thanx

Totally agree on your points, and until it's realized that arms deals and wars isn't the answer to anything, apart from causing more death and inflaming more violence, then we can hardly call ourselves civilized.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

I've heard there is a song that angels sing, that one day man will return to where he came from. Paradise.

"Undisputed UN figures show that 1.7 million Iraqi civilians died due to the West’s brutal sanctions regime, half of whom were children."
So basically, the west should be blamed for the millions that die from hunger in North Korea? Their leader and government bear no responsibility?

Nice try, but this is total BS. The way these numbers were achieved is randomly summing death tolls in Muslim countries.
This is just another Muslim attempt to tawriya ("Creative Lying") it's way out of the 'most efficient killing machine in history' conception.

That is much thoughtful for the United Nations and OIC.