Snoopers charter set to return To law.

The Conservatives are already planning to introduce the huge surveillance powers known as the Snoopers’ Charter, hoping that the removal from government of the Liberal Democrats that previously blocked the controversial law will allow it to go through.

If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. This law will hopefully stop any future terrorist acts in the UK and catch paedophiles before they get your kids. Now those pesky liberal democrats are out of the way it's all go.

The snoopers’ charter received huge criticism from computing experts and civil liberties campaigners in the wake of introduction. It was set to come into law in 2014, but Nick Clegg withdrew his support for the bill and it was blocked by the Liberal Democrats.

Does the government need such powers? Do You support these measures? I'm assuming this will be welcomed by the majority of The British population

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Why don't we just have people live in Jails from the get go.

Just in case they turn out to be criminals.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Does the government need such powers?

The government already has the powers it needs to combat terrorism.

Do You support these measures?

Absolutely not , British law acts on the presumption of innocence but the increasing surveillance culture hints at presumed guilty until proven innocent.
We have become cattle , tagged by mobile phones with everything about us documented , observed and stored.
I feel in a year or so we will realise just what the Lib Dems did achieve in government by leashing the Tory dog.

a reply to: TorinoFer

If we listen to Gov Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theories program regarding FEMA camps....

YOUR wish will soon be a way of life....

I sure in hell hope not! So much NoBummers pre-election speechs saying his government will be transparent! Tax payers funded and hidden from general population.

What was the Revolution about when we fought the Red Coats? Double Taxation no Representation.... hmmmmm



and lets us not forget about those coffins....
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Doom Porn.... meanwhile I am adopting Alfred E. Neuman Motto, "What me worry?"

What Me Worry

I don't know LOL.... Nothing I can do ergo kicking back and reading ATS......

The West should stop looking to the US as mentors, we've lost our minds.

My apologies this is for the UK..........

So instead Ill say


Dont make the same mistakes we did in the US

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Not really.

And there is more than a few Conservatives MP that don't like it either. Sure they have a majority but not enough if the backbenchers get rebellious

Its got a few hurdles to get through.

Il be writing to my MP to register my distaste.

a reply to: crazyewok

Indeedy - with such a slim majority and with such opposition from within the Conservatives from big hitters such as David Davis, a rebellion is a real risk if they try to push this through. I highly doubt this Bill will fly in it's current form.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: crazyewok

Indeedy - with such a slim majority and with such opposition from within the Conservatives from big hitters such as David Davis, a rebellion is a real risk if they try to push this through. I highly doubt this Bill will fly in it's current form.

I know my MP has expressed concerns last time it was brought through and she has disobeyed the whip a few times along with a few others. If they play this wrong they could have a (deservedly) embarrassment on there hands as it would only take a handful of rebels just to abstain.

Right now GCHQ and MI5 have a good balance as it is. No need to change it, we dont want to end up like the US.


Have I mentioned I have a strong dislike for Theresa May?

Uh. Isn't the U.S. the only place where you're innocent until proven guilty?

In Great Britain, you have imaginary 'rights'. That aren't written down. Might want to get on that a la Bill of Rights style. The U.S. had something right there, just saying lol

originally posted by: rukia
Uh. Isn't the U.S. the only place where you're innocent until proven guilty?

And where do you think the US got that concept from? English Jurisprudence...

originally posted by: rukia
In Great Britain, you have imaginary 'rights'. That aren't written down. Might want to get on that a la Bill of Rights style. The U.S. had something right there, just saying lol

Actually, we have a constitution, it's just not written into a single document because, well, our country is over 1,000 years old and has a history.

We do have a Bill of Rights - again, where do you think the US got that from?

Bloody yanks...

My letter sent.


Dear Ms Tracey Crouch MP

First of all Congratulations on your deserved win. A politician who leads on honestly and principle is rarity and a valuable asset to the country not to be lost.
As in the past I have written about concerns in our sovereignty I am unfortunately writing this letter out of concern of our basic rights. This is due to the so called snooper charter your colleague Theresa May wants to try and pass again. It to seems to give massive power to both the government and worse private companies to store and use data with very little oversight. I see huge possibility for future abuses.

I know Theresa May likely means well with this and these may not be abused by the current government. But what about the next one or after that?
In the past good intentions have paved the way for Tyranny’s and oppressive regimes.

For me it seems at the moment the Police and our hard working security service have a good balance between privacy and powers. Though I fully understand the dangerous we are facing. Future power handed over needs to be done carefully with some sort of civilian oversight and accountability set it place.

I certainly do not want us to go down the path of the USA into a alphabet soup of intelligence agency’s spying on everything and everyone and growing too powerful.

I will leave you with a quote from one of my favorite statesmen Benjamin Franklin.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”
I think if we start giving up freedom like privacy we hold dear we allow the terrorists to win.

Regards
**************

Ps
Please don’t let Borris Johnson win the next party leadership.

a reply to: crazyewok

Wonderful letter, well done.

Although I would rather like to see Boris as Tory Leader/PM.... With Jeremy Clarkson as Foreign Minister...

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: crazyewok

Wonderful letter, well done.

Although I would rather like to see Boris as Tory Leader/PM.... With Jeremy Clarkson as Foreign Minister...

Thanks. Quickly went over it for spelling before spending it as auto spell checker on my phone gives some funny results.
I know she has expressed concerns herself at this new charter so hopefully seeing some support will push her into at least a abstain vote.

As for Johnson, good lord no! He a embodiment of whats bad with the party No more bullington boys. Bring in someone fresh from more humble grounds.

a reply to: crazyewok

He's actually quite a sound bloke - he used to be my best mates MP. Yeah, he comes from the same toffy background, but he's quite grounded and a funny bloke as well.

Besides, having him as PM would just be hilarious, regardless of his background.

a reply to: stumason

Maybe.

I would just like to see some sort of new Conservative party. They have some really good MP's they picked up in 2010 who are not the old schoolboy career politician and seem to keep the party grounded. Be nice to see the party keeps it core values but have a much more appealing face rather than the party of crusty old rich farts. Plus healthy does of 21st century modernism would help.

We all need to be watched 24x7, after all, it's to protect the kiddies and stop the evil bogeymen terrorists.... isn't it?

Lets face it they, and by "they", I mean successive governments, have done everything they can to protect high level abusers and criminals in order to protect the establishment. The security services are well aware of this and are part of the coverup too. Yet, it is WE, the taxpaying public, that need to be watched.

The letter I received a while back from my MP, in answer to questions I posed on the likely criminal prosecution of the criminal bankers, showed the situation with just one paragraph. The upshot being that prosecutions will occur "if it is in the public interest to do so".
So, in short, criminal prosecutions of those in high places, that could cause acute embarrassment to, or even bring down the government, will NOT happen because some politically appointed senior civil servant will decide the public do not need to know and couldn't handle the truth.

In other words, the rule of law will be suspended to protect the establishment and the system. I would suggest that any government that supports the suspension of the rule of law to protect themselves no longer has a mandate to govern, and the people should be able to remove them from power immediately, with loss of all benefits and jail time.
They forget at times who they are answerable to!