September 11: The New Pearl Harbor [Video]

a reply to: jaffo

This is a fact.

Like I always say, facts no place in a conspiracy theory.

a reply to: samkent

Or in a "Commission" report.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: jaffo

This is a fact.

Like I always say, facts no place in a conspiracy theory.

If by "Conspiracy theory" you mean the one presented by the administration of the time you are quite correct. Facts have been most inconvenient for its proponents.

a reply to: Merinda

This video sums up some of the videos.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
This video sums up some of the videos.

Actually it is full of the normal truther lies, like Rumsfeld said 2.3 trillion was missing!

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
This video sums up some of the videos.

Actually it is full of the normal truther lies, like Rumsfeld said 2.3 trillion was missing!

No it doesn't, you don't know anything as usual. It tells you the facts. Obviously you didn't see the video and just looked at the screen shot of the youtube video to comment on. just pure ignorance.

a reply to: jaffo

this kind of statement are the real proof about who we are supposed to convince...mission impossible...

it's very sad..

a reply to: Shadow Herder

This video sums up some of the videos.

I have to lay the record straight. First of all, the money was not missing because our computers could not process that much money and that is where the problem was and since then, most of the money has been accounted for. On another note, my Wing commander was present inside the Pentagon when American 77 struck. In other words, there was no conspiracy involving money at the Pentagon.

a reply to: Merinda

However you are partly right, unless it can be shown that NORAD was paid off with Alquaeda money to be conveniently absent and incapable of intercepting 1 of four airliners (by intercepting I dont mean shooting down) then it wasnt just treason in collusion with terrorists, but an abetting of an action that has been called upon to galvanize public opinion for what would have been a VERY unpopular war in Afghanistan and Iraq, particularly Afghanistan which was very reminiscent of the Soviet occupation years earlier and still is.

First of all, NORAD is not in charge of intercepting civilian airliners within the borders of the United States. As it was, not one Air Force fighter was in a position to stop the attack and in fact, the military was unaware where United 93 was and that it had already crashed, and yes, I heard the audio tape as well. The shoot down order did not come down until after United 93 crashed. In other words, the military had no authority to shoot down any aircraft before the issuing of the shoot down order. Even when the shoot down order is issued, there were commanders who refused to forward the shoot down orders to their pilots. It is not easy to intercept aircraft as evident in the interception of the Lear Jet of golfer Payne Steward. In another case, a mechanic stole a Lear Jet on the East Coast and flew the stolen aircraft all the way to Denver, Colorado and at no time was the stolen jet intercepted. After landing at Denver Airport, the mechanic committed suicide. Shooting down an airliner has its risk. What if the airliner lost communication or lost? What would happen if the wrong airliner was shot down? What would happen if the wrong airliner was shot down over populated areas? You might want to review the following facts.

9-11 Fighter Pilot: We Wouldn't Have Shot Down Hijackers

The pilot of one of two U.S. military jets that were scrambled on 9-11 moments after kamikaze hijacker Mohamed Atta slammed American Airlines Flight 11 into Tower One of the World Trade Center said Wednesday that he wouldn't have been able to stop the attack even if he intercepted the plane.

"If we had intercepted American 11, we probably would have watched it crash," the pilot, identified only by his military codename "Nasty," told the Cape Cod Times. "We didn't have the authority to (shoot it down)."

As part of the 102nd Fighter Wing flying out of Otis Air National Guard Base on Cape Cod, "Nasty" and his partner, codenamed "Duff," were scrambled at 8:46 a.m. as news of Flight 11's hijacking reached the base.

"We didn't suspect they would use kamikaze tactics that morning," the pilot told the Times. "We weren't ready for that type of an attack, to quickly shoot down one of our own airplanes."
At the time, military pilots had no such standing orders. Absent a presidential directive they had no authority to blow a commercial airliner out of the sky.


9/11 10th Anniversary: F-15 pilot Dan Nash recalls response

Controllers from the Northeast Air Defense Sector would spot an aircraft on their radar and ask the pilots to investigate and steer it away from Manhattan’s airspace. Over a four-hour period, Nash and Duffy repeated the process for between 50 and 100 aircraft.

When the South Tower of the trade center fell at 9:59 a.m., Nash was flying east over Kennedy, escorting a small civilian airliner to a safe landing. “When we turned around,” he recalled, “Manhattan was covered with what I thought was smoke. But it was the dust from the collapsed tower.”

The pilots were over the North Tower when it collapsed at 10:28 a.m. From an altitude of 6,000 feet, according to Vittner’s report, Duffy watched the tower implode. Nash wasn’t looking down at the time; he only saw the aftermath. The plume of smoke and ash, he estimated, rose 5,000 feet above streets below.

www.masslive....t..._dan_nash.html


113th Wing, Andrews AFB: Lt. Colonel Phil Thompson, USAF

"We've never been an air defense unit. We practice scrambles, we know how to do intercepts and other things, but there's a lot of protocol in the air defense business. We obviously didn't have that expertise..."

Lt. Colonel Phil Thompson, Chief of Safety for the 113th Wing, Andrews AFB


10:09 AM1 minute, 57 seconds

"The fighter pilots do not know if they have permission to shoot down planes. A commander tells them they do not. (Warning: profanity at the end of the clip)"

www.nytimes.c....../911-tapes.html


In interviews with us, NEADS personnel expressed considerable confusion over the nature and effect of the order

The NEADS commander told us he did not pass along the order because he was unaware of its ramifications. Both the mission commander and the senior weapons director indicated they did not pass the order to the fighters circling Washington and New York because they were unsure how the pilots would, or should, proceed with this guidance.

...the Langley pilots did not know the threat they were facing, did not know where United 93 was located, and did not have shoot-down authorization before United 93 crashed.