Freddie Gray's Death Ruled a Homicide; 6 Officers Charged!

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Xcathdra

Except a person is never just taken to trial. A criminal complaint comes first and an investigation occurs to see if the law was even broken. If its not it ends right there. If there was then we go through the process.

Of course. That is why society has people educated for and working at those duties. Every citizen doesn't need a law degree as long as they can trust those in the position. Trust is a big part of the big issue in these cases.

Which of those with law degrees to you trust? Do you trust everyone with a law degree?

Hmm, dangerous position there. History has proven that we should not just trust anyone.

Hillary Clinton has a law degree. Lots of people don't trust her.

Sure, a valid point. But if there is no one we can trust in the long one then society is in trouble.

It's one reason, whether good or bad, many are elected.

Died while in police custody. Not from injuries sustained in police custody. This is a big difference. They used the prosecutor, and by they i mean the city politicians. The mayor who said they gave space to riot. Time to deflect. Have prosecutor come out and say they have warrants. Calm city.

3 months from now, when the grand jury says one of the six, I am sure one who is white, will be charged it buys them six more months. Officer is then acquitted and the riots start again. It is a cycle. In the end the government of Baltimore can say they did their due diligence and there is no justice in America.

C'mon folks, how many times are we all going to martyr a felon thinking there will be something that comes from it????

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Xcathdra

Except a person is never just taken to trial. A criminal complaint comes first and an investigation occurs to see if the law was even broken. If its not it ends right there. If there was then we go through the process.

Of course. That is why society has people educated for and working at those duties. Every citizen doesn't need a law degree as long as they can trust those in the position. Trust is a big part of the big issue in these cases.

Which of those with law degrees to you trust? Do you trust everyone with a law degree?

Hmm, dangerous position there. History has proven that we should not just trust anyone.

Hillary Clinton has a law degree. Lots of people don't trust her.

Sure, a valid point. But if there is no one we can trust in the long one then society is in trouble.

It's one reason, whether good or bad, many are elected.

We've been in trouble for a long time.

Obama got 100% of Baltimore, he has a law degree also. I don't hear him saying "Freddie Gray could be my son". Where is he anyway?

He needs to address Baltimore who gave him 100%. He needed to address Ferguson as well.

Whatever you might think of his platform, he is still the President who needs to speak to the very ones who put him in office. He is OUR President, whether we like it or not and his FIRST priority is the people he was elected to govern.

He isn't challenging the Baltimore government, Elijah Cummings is. But Cummings is from Baltimore.

Well this is interesting, Mr. Gray had a warrant that was issue in March 13th, for assault. if that warrant is still active that will make the reason for arrest and can possibly throw out that he was arrested unlawfully. Depending of the law in some states a person under probation can not have any type of weapon in his possession

I think is a lot we still don't know yet about what is going on as days goes by.

This link have a copy of the warrant, if somebody had posted this please ignore.


universalfreepress.com...#

a reply to: WarminIndy
Most people run from something, it means they are afraid of that something they run from, no? Given they killed him, I would say that fear was not an irrational one. I also fear and distrust police. Unlike most the people in places like baltimore, I am able to live in a place where there are no police. I only have to deal with police on the few times I venture into the closest city. I would go there more often if there were no police there. I am no criminal, the only convictions on my record are a few moving violations.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Greathouse

In all my years of law enforcement in 2 states and writing PC affidavits I am clear on what I am doing and how its done.

Okay I'm game explain reasonable suspicion to me. As a cop I'm sure you pulled over a drunk driver for swerving. And in your affidavits that was reasonable suspicion for probable cause. Then you would conduct an investigation and gather evidence. Now you may share the evidence, but at no time are you required to share evidence until discovery has been granted.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Xcathdra
Except so many people don't make it to their trial alive.... Like Gray for example.

Which is why the state prosecutes.

I just read about the National Criminal Justice Commission Act 2015, can you enlighten us on this?

What is it?

I haven't heard about this.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: roadgravel

i agree with that. But I also feel that this case and a few others where people believe, with good reason, that police have acted criminally have to be in the spot light or at least see justice for a change to happen. The last few decades back it up, IMO.

here is my problem with this...

if people want to be able to say this cop broke the law, then that person needs to go to school, become an attorney, a prosecuting attorney and then go from there.

Demanding a person be charged without knowing / understanding the law is just as bad as the crime itself. Both actions are based on the complete ignorance of what the law says / complete ignorance in following the law.

if you are going to protest that these cops be charged then you must also protest to ensure the rioters / looters / arsonists / thugs be charged for their actions.

Ummmm the woman you're talking about that file the charges did all that.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: WarminIndy
Most people run from something, it means they are afraid of that something they run from, no? Given they killed him, I would say that fear was not an irrational one. I also fear and distrust police. Unlike most the people in places like baltimore, I am able to live in a place where there are no police. I only have to deal with police on the few times I venture into the closest city. I would go there more often if there were no police there. I am no criminal, the only convictions on my record are a few moving violations.

See the post above yours...he had an active warrant on him.

a reply to: WarminIndy
Even if that is true, so what? Doesn't change the fact they killed the guy. I don't care if he just bit obama's nose off, that doesn't excuse the polices' responsibility.

If I am reading it correctly, that warrant was served on 3/18, and the blog poster conveniently clipped off the bottom.

a reply to: marg6043

Did they know about it?

Cause if they did, why was it not part of the original reasoning?

It would validate the arrest, if they were arresting him for it at the time.

And looks like it was taken care of already.

So another blog that wants to twist and distort.

a reply to: TKDRL

I don't see anything cut off.
In any case:
casesearch.courts.state.md.us...

This may be more relevant though.
casesearch.courts.state.md.us...

a reply to: Xcathdra


I've never made it a racist issue. Like I said it's a police conduct issue. And apparently she isn't making it a race issue either, unless you're going to claim everyone that was fired or quit ahead of her term was white.

You should know that if you shake up the District Attorney's Office you shake the whole tree of the City. (those are the guys that actually put you in prison)

regime change DAs office

Dbl

a reply to: matafuchs

Died while in police custody. Not from injuries sustained in police custody.

Breathing when he is put in and not breathing when he gets taken out but it didn't happen in police custody?

Or am I misreading that statement.

a reply to: Phage
The blog cut off the whole second half, the one I posted was the full one. Your link is not working.


Warrant issued on the 13, he was served and released on the 18.

a reply to: WarminIndy

See the post above yours...he had an active warrant on him.

Doesn't make the arrest legal. Might explain his running, but they would have said this from the beginning if that's why they went after him

It's funny - how badly people seem to want for there to be a reason why this young man deserved to die and why the cops did nothing wrong

The truth is - we don't know all the facts right now

I still remember how everyone began chiming in with how Trayvon was a pot smoking, burglarizing, no good scum. They never did prove the burglary stories. The pot smoking discussions were hilarious and ridiculous. People seemed to honestly want for him to be a bad seed - so that a senseless death would somehow magically become acceptable

Is it honestly so hard to believe that sometimes cops do bad things? If Freddie Gray was a truly messed up person - that still does not justify an illegal arrest or his death

If the facts prove that one, or two - or all 6 of these cops did something wrong - it doesn't matter if Freddie Gray was Stalin - they're still guilty

originally posted by: matafuchs
Died while in police custody. Not from injuries sustained in police custody. This is a big difference. They used the prosecutor, and by they i mean the city politicians. The mayor who said they gave space to riot. Time to deflect. Have prosecutor come out and say they have warrants. Calm city.

3 months from now, when the grand jury says one of the six, I am sure one who is white, will be charged it buys them six more months. Officer is then acquitted and the riots start again. It is a cycle. In the end the government of Baltimore can say they did their due diligence and there is no justice in America.

C'mon folks, how many times are we all going to martyr a felon thinking there will be something that comes from it????

It's my understanding Marilyn Mosby has elected to skip the grand jury. She's taking it directly to a Preliminary hearing May 27th. Which Will bring her evidence into light earlier. That also explains the full-court press by the mainstream media.

a reply to: TKDRL

Yes, you may be right, the man is death while under the police officers care we know that, but now I see why the State attorney concentrated on charges of his death in the van and not when he was been arrested.

See now? how things are been worked around for the charges to stick? but when all the information reach the grand jury things could be seen in a different way.

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: roadgravel

i agree with that. But I also feel that this case and a few others where people believe, with good reason, that police have acted criminally have to be in the spot light or at least see justice for a change to happen. The last few decades back it up, IMO.

here is my problem with this...

if people want to be able to say this cop broke the law, then that person needs to go to school, become an attorney, a prosecuting attorney and then go from there.

Demanding a person be charged without knowing / understanding the law is just as bad as the crime itself. Both actions are based on the complete ignorance of what the law says / complete ignorance in following the law.

if you are going to protest that these cops be charged then you must also protest to ensure the rioters / looters / arsonists / thugs be charged for their actions.

Ummmm the woman you're talking about that file the charges did all that.

13Th (sigh)