Why did prophet Muhammed (pbuh) marry Aisha at such young age (9)?

pbuh.
That always gives me a little chuckle.
What happens to someone if they write Mohammed sans pbuh?

It was the one thing about Islam and it's teaching that proved to me it was false.

Muhammad was a pedophile. There is nothing enlightened or godly about that. Pedophilia is a sickness taught through generations, and apparently it took root in the middle east. I can't believe it still happens today, and the rest of the world just sits back, shrugs their shoulders, and says "It's just their way."

It's a crime against humanity, and the rest of the world is just as culpable, sitting back and letting those little girls be abused.

CdT

originally posted by: spirit_horse
Because he is a Pedophile!

And a 2nd although he doesn't deserve a 2nd line!

I think the 2nd line to OPs like this should be..

well, I could say but it would violate the T&C, but it rhymes with duck.....

Maybe the 6 year old was asking for it.

Maybe she dressed sleezy.

Those are the only two excuses I haven't heard.

It was different back then. Just not that different.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is absolutely no evidence Mary was 13. Where do you come up with that?

NOOOO, in Judaism, a girl had to be old enough to SIGN for consent herself. Then SHE negotiated the ketubah in the presence of the rabbi and the groom.

SHE got a say in how SHE was to be treated, and if she could not intellectually understand marriage, then she could not enter into it.


Even IF Joseph married Mary when she was 13, the Jewish law dictated that she simply did not just move in with him at that point, they had to be engaged for more than a year.

And IF they moved in together at the actual marriage ceremony, she could not do so if she were intellectually not capable of understanding marriage.

Jewish Views on Marriage

In Jewish law, an engagement (shidukhin) is a contract between a man and a woman where they mutually promise to marry each other at some future time and the terms on which it shall take place.[5] The promise may be made by the intending parties or by their respective parents or other relatives on their behalf.[6] The promise is formalized in a document known as the Shtar Tena'im, the "Document of Conditions", which is read prior to the badekin. After this reading, the mothers of the future bride and groom break a plate. Today, some sign the contract on the day of the wedding, some do it as an earlier ceremony, and some do not do it at all.

Judaism 101

Sex should only be experienced in a time of joy. Sex for selfish personal satisfaction, without regard for the partner's pleasure, is wrong and evil. A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

Therefore, as Aisha was not intellectually, NOR capable of having sex, the false comparison to Mary is not warranted. Mary had a contract with Joseph, but it did not ever mean that she could involve in it before the time contract allowed it to be.

And Joseph could never force Mary into sex.

Sex is the woman's right, not the man's. A man has a duty to give his wife sex regularly and to ensure that sex is pleasurable for her

Mohammed forced sex, not only for Aisha, but other women as well. She was simply too young to understand and her body was not developed for sex. As much as the comparison was made, please show us evidence Mary was 13.

The Bible doesn't even say she was 13, that's like saying the Bible said Jesus was born on Dec. 25...it doesn't say. So that is a false and misleading comparison.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Defending someone from a fairy tale, to discreted another fairy tale storie while using 21st century logic is funny as hell.

originally posted by: butcherguy
pbuh.
That always gives me a little chuckle.
What happens to someone if they write Mohammed sans pbuh?

I don't know, I am always thinking "puke" when I see it.

That wouldn't be wrong, would it?

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: WarminIndy

Defending someone from a fairy tale, to discreted another fairy tale storie while using 21st century logic is funny as hell.

Are you saying Mohammed didn't exist?

Do you mean that the Islamic invasions were fairy tales?

OK, so to you Mohammed didn't exist, well then, if he was in the MIDDLE AGES, then perhaps Plato or Alexander the Greek didn't exist either, and they were way before the Middle Ages.

originally posted by: ElectricFeel
a reply to: grandmakdw

You guys clearly didn't watch the video.

Obviously we aren't going to watch the video.

We don't like the justification for child abuse.

a reply to: WarminIndy

All religon books are fantasy tales, im more concerned with todays pedophiles than what a man suposidly did more than a thousand years ago. Your using the bible to defend your point, which is funny, try facts not man made stories

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There is absolutely no evidence Mary was 13. Where do you come up with that?

NOOOO, in Judaism, a girl had to be old enough to SIGN for consent herself. Then SHE negotiated the ketubah in the presence of the rabbi and the groom.

SHE got a say in how SHE was to be treated, and if she could not intellectually understand marriage, then she could not enter into it.


Even IF Joseph married Mary when she was 13, the Jewish law dictated that she simply did not just move in with him at that point, they had to be engaged for more than a year.

And IF they moved in together at the actual marriage ceremony, she could not do so if she were intellectually not capable of understanding marriage.

Jewish Views on Marriage

In Jewish law, an engagement (shidukhin) is a contract between a man and a woman where they mutually promise to marry each other at some future time and the terms on which it shall take place.[5] The promise may be made by the intending parties or by their respective parents or other relatives on their behalf.[6] The promise is formalized in a document known as the Shtar Tena'im, the "Document of Conditions", which is read prior to the badekin. After this reading, the mothers of the future bride and groom break a plate. Today, some sign the contract on the day of the wedding, some do it as an earlier ceremony, and some do not do it at all.

Judaism 101

Sex should only be experienced in a time of joy. Sex for selfish personal satisfaction, without regard for the partner's pleasure, is wrong and evil. A man may never force his wife to have sex. A couple may not have sexual relations while drunk or quarreling. Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse.

Therefore, as Aisha was not intellectually, NOR capable of having sex, the false comparison to Mary is not warranted. Mary had a contract with Joseph, but it did not ever mean that she could involve in it before the time contract allowed it to be.

And Joseph could never force Mary into sex.

Sex is the woman's right, not the man's. A man has a duty to give his wife sex regularly and to ensure that sex is pleasurable for her

Mohammed forced sex, not only for Aisha, but other women as well. She was simply too young to understand and her body was not developed for sex. As much as the comparison was made, please show us evidence Mary was 13.

The Bible doesn't even say she was 13, that's like saying the Bible said Jesus was born on Dec. 25...it doesn't say. So that is a false and misleading comparison.

It's pretty much unanimously agreed upon among most historians that Mary was 12 or 13 when she was married to Joseph.

Marriage of Mary To Joseph the Carpenter!

By the way, also from the source:

One must remember in Ancient Israelite times once a girl was betrothed, sexual intimacy was allowed, there was no law against that, nor does the Bible say anything against it. So, for Mary to be betrothed, it did not mean that Joseph and Mary could not get intimate. Click on the following article I have written on Ancient Jewish Marriages.

To be honest, I wasn't expecting to debate this point. I thought it was just common knowledge that an old man named Joseph married a pre-teen named Mary.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
According to your link, Mary was 12-14 when she was married to Joseph, and two years later, the Annunciation occurred. So, at age 14-16, she was still a virgin.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Krazysh0t
According to your link, Mary was 12-14 when she was married to Joseph, and two years later, the Annunciation occurred. So, at age 14-16, she was still a virgin.

So Joseph, an old man, having sex with a 14-16 year old is ok?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So Joseph, an old man, having sex with a 14-16 year old is ok?

I don't know.
I thought you alluded that he was having sex with a pre-teen in your previous post.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sorry, but I'm having a hard believing that Joseph was 90, in a day and age when the average life span was 40, at best! And, we're supposed believe that a 90 something year old walked, while Mary rode, all the way to Bethlehem! Yeah right! LOL

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sorry, but I'm having a hard believing that Joseph was 90, in a day and age when the average life span was 40, at best! And, we're supposed believe that a 90 something year old walked, while Mary rode, all the way to Bethlehem! Yeah right! LOL

There were many old folk (ie octogenarians etc) in ancient times as shown in documentary and archaeological evidence - the "average life span" is "skewed" by infant mortality.

I think in ancient and even more modern times the prevailing logic was that a woman was ready for marriage upon the arrival of their first menses. It was extremely important that a woman be able to give a man a male heir or child in our recent past. Therefore, once a woman acquired the ability to give a man his child she was accepted as a woman.

It wasn't as much religious as logical for the time when people didn't live long and a young, healthy woman was desirable for her ability to bear children. Frankly, it made sense for the time.

a reply to: skalla

Yeah, okay, but 90!?? Jesus' siblings would be old enough to be his grandparents, if Joseph had originally married at around 20ish, his kids would have been in their 60s, at least, when Jesus was born!

a reply to: WarminIndy

There is absolutely no evidence Aisha was 9 either.

But that doesn't stop you and others spouting bullsh# that came about 200 years after Muhammad died.




What a funny old world.


Muhammad had wives older than himself...

Why only one of his many wives was a allegedly a child is beyond me...

Why he would not confirm to society on many other issues but child marriage was fine is beyond me...

Why these stories started circling mainly in the 1800s from Catholic source is beyond me...



/sarc

/sarc


Aaaannnddd definitely /sarc.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I like and respect you CharlieSpiers, and your post might have made me reevaluate my position, IF...

Imam's didn't marry off pre-pubescent children to grown men in this very day and age.

CdT