Bali nine duo executed by firing squad

From: www.bbc.com...

Multiple advocates for the pair said they became very different in jail to the young men sentenced to death by the court.

Chan, 31, ran Bible study classes in Bali's Kerobokan jail, while Sukumaran, 33, became a keen artist.

The son of restaurant owners, and a former part-time cook, Chan also ran a cooking school in Kerobokan prison.

And he featured in a documentary seeking to educate secondary school students about the dangers of drug taking.

The film includes a six-page letter written by Chan entitled "Dear Me: The Dangers of Drugs".

In it he writes: "Dear Me, when you are older you will be in a Bali prison and you will be executed. This happened to you because you thought taking drugs was cool.... Your family and friends are heart broken... Underneath you are not a bad person."

He also addresses young people in the film.

"I have missed weddings, funerals, just the simple presence of my family. The hurt and pain that I don't just put onto myself, but my family, is agonising," he says.

"My life is a perfect example of an absolute waste. That does not have to be [the case] for you."

The director of the film, Malinda Rutter, met Chan in prison and said he was a transformed man.

"He's funny, articulate, he is charismatic and has a very caring personality," Ms Rutter told News Limited.

She said that his unhappy childhood led him into criminal activity. "He was a really troubled kid and he wanted to be tougher and bigger than the other kids," she said.

Chan tells the documentary that he got involved in drugs "at a pretty young age" and that by the time he was 15 he was "merged into the scene".

Chan's final wish was granted by Indonesian authorities the day before he died when he married his Indonesian girlfriend at the prison.

Sukumaran attended the same high school as Chan in south-west Sydney although the two men did not meet until years later.

Sukumaran's mother told News Limited that her son was also "rehabilitating" and had set up several courses in prison, including those in philosophy and art.

Painting "gives you a sense of control", the Sydney Morning Herald quoted him as saying.

"Before I got arrested, I was never really good at anything. Zero skills or hobbies, no real direction in life," he said.

"When I do a good painting, it's like you see yourself improving, you can make something that's good."

Artist Ben Quilty, who has been mentoring Sukumaran, said he was surprised by his demeanour.

"He was not this dark character out of Batman but a young, shy Australian man," he told the paper.

One of his paintings is a portrait of Joko Widodo with the words "People can change" on the back.

During a court hearing in 2010 Sukumaran said he had changed.

"From the bottom of my heart I can honestly say I am now a different person and a reformed person," he said.

The Australia Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) reported that as his last request he had asked to be allowed to paint "for as long and as much as possible".

originally posted by: Kryties
Multiple advocates for the pair said they became very different in jail to the young men sentenced to death by the court.

They were just doing what their lawyer told them to do, to try and escape the death penalty. But Indonesia saw through them, thus they were executed.

From: b risbanetimes.com.au...

Bali 9 executions: What kind of country kills people this way?

When an individual plots a chilling, malodorous killing, it's called mass murder.

The only difference to what we witnessed this week, is that the culprit was the Indonesian Government, hiding like a coward behind laws that it knows it can bend with the breeze.

But it's not even this week's state-sanctioned murder that highlights the barbarism of Joko Widodo's regime; it's the tortuous, cruel way the killings were carried out, aimed at both humiliating Australia and bringing two families to their knees.

How else do you explain a regime that assassinates two young men, after they have spent 10 years rehabilitating themselves and proving they could be the pro-education weapon Indonesia needs to fight drug crime?

Why else would a government, asked by our own not to announce the pending executions on Anzac Day, proceed to do just that?

Why wouldn't authorities initially remove the hand shackles of eight prisoners who wanted one of their last acts to be the warm embrace of their families; good law-abiding parents who have already lived a decade in hell?

Can you imagine an authority acting with the spite that would be needed to threaten that two young men, sentenced to death, would be refused permission to have with them the comfort of a religious advisor in their final moments?

What kind of regime has its senior officials pose for selfies with death row prisoners, ahead of an execution?

Is there a word other than "barbaric" to describe the humiliating circus their families were placed in, with officials forcing them to walk through crowds and a world media pack to reach their sons, on their final day?

How do you describe a government which sentences to death - and then carries out that sentence - while the stench of corruption allegations continue to swirl around its judiciary?

Or which refuses to accept that the law, good sense and good government should dictate that an execution is carried out AFTER all legal and judicial avenues are ended?

How do you describe a regime - a so-called friend of Australia - who doesn't bother to return calls made by our own government, over the impending callous murder of two of its citizens? Or which appears to be behind the leak of private photographs of someone's wedding day, 24 hours before they end it in the dark of night, with a bullet?

How do you describe the hypocrisy of a country that relishes in extinguishing the life of criminals from foreign countries while complaining loudly when the same justice is handed out to its own citizens elsewhere?

When Myuran Sukumaran left Homebush Boys High School, his school reference labelled him honest, reliable, responsible, punctual and well-prepared with high standards and a good example to junior students.

He had taken part in national maths and science competitions, was a gold-medal winner in karate and played in the school's second-grade rugby team. He gave blood in the annual school appeal and was a volunteer collector for the Salvation Army's Red Shield Appeal.

Like Andrew Chan, he fell in with a bad crowd, made an absolutely atrocious decision, committed a serious crime, and ended up in an Indonesian jail.

They both belonged there, not in a field with a marksmen a few metres away, aiming a bullet at their heart.

So how do you describe a country with such little regard for life or the voice of a neighbour striving to cherish its friendship?

How about a country that should be left to sort out its own refugee problem, and its own aid problem, and one that many Australians will never set foot in again.

originally posted by: Kryties
But it's not even this week's state-sanctioned murder

Now you are getting desperate - "state sanctioned murder" It was nothing like murder, more like putting down a rabid dog.

aimed at both humiliating Australia and bringing two families to their knees.

Of course you ignore all the families destroyed by the drugs smuggled on earlier trips - why do you ignore them? But they do not count apparently, only the families of convicted admitted drug dealers count! Pathetic really.

Or which refuses to accept that the law, good sense and good government should dictate that an execution is carried out AFTER all legal and judicial avenues are ended?

They were exhausted - why claim they were not?

I am failing to understand why some posers (woops, I mean posters) are replying to the news articles as if I personally wrote them

Seems a little redundant to me, perhaps they are simply trolling for attention?

Please remain on topic

The subject of the thread is about people being executed in Bali.

It isn't about insulting other members!

Any more off-topics or ill-mannered remarks will be met lead to further consequences.

Do not reply to this post.

Thank you

So, in the forthcoming days we will be seeing what the Australian Federal Police (AFP) have to say on the matter, if they will admit to being compliant in sending two Australians to their deaths, plus the sad funerals of the two executed men.

I shall also attempt to find and post any information regarding the postponement of Mary Jane Veloso's execution, and the ongoing efforts of the French to seek clemency for their man, Serge Atlaoui who was given a reprieve to further seek legal appeals - (one may ask why this was also not the case for the Chan and Sukumaran, why were they not allowed to conclude their appeals? Political?)

originally posted by: Kryties
if they will admit to being compliant in sending two Australians to their deaths,

More nonsense, now you claim the AFP sent the Bali 9 to Indonesia! Did the AFP also pay for their tickets?

The only people responsible for the deaths of the 2 are themselves - they are the ones that smuggled drugs in a country where the penalty for that is death.

Why are you trying to put the blame on other people, when all the blame rests on the 2 executed?

(one may ask why this was also not the case for the Chan and Sukumaran, why were they not allowed to conclude their appeals?

Wrong again, they had finished all their valid appeals - what makes you claim they had not finished them?

a reply to: hellobruce

Everything you have just said has been dealt with and shot down multiple times in this thread, by multiple people. Please stop persisting in repeating yourself over and over again and attempting to stall the thread.

The fact is that the AFP knew about the plan before they departed Australia and allowed them to be put in jeopardy of execution by telling the Indonesian authorities rather than waiting for them to return to Australia.

It is also worth noting that at NO point in time were the Indonesians in ANY DANGER from the smugglers, as they were just passing through Bali on their way to Melbourne. No Indonesians citizens were put at any risk of harm by the drugs these smugglers had, they were bound for the streets of Melbourne and therefore should have been dealt with by Australian Police and the Australian Courts system who would have given them a humane and fair jail sentence - rather than execution.

originally posted by: Kryties
Everything you have just said has been dealt with and shot down multiple times in this thread,

No it has not, that is just a silly claim.

and allowed them to be put in jeopardy of execution

The only people who put them in jeopardy of execution was themselves, by drug smuggling in Indonesia. But for some strange reason you refuse to put any blame on the people responsible, the drug dealers themselves - why is that?

rather than waiting for them to return to Australia.

They never made it back to Australia, so how could the be arrested here?

It is also worth noting that at NO point in time were the Indonesian in ANY DANGER from the smugglers,

How silly can you get, ever thought that the courier that delivered the convicted drug dealers their drugs also bought some in to sell in Indonesia? Anyway, the penalty for drug smuggling in Indonesia is death, and they were caught drug smuggling in Indonesia.

[ therefore should have been dealt with by Australian Police and the Australian Courts system who would have given them a humane and fair jail sentence - rather than execution.

They were caught drug smuggling in Indonesia - hence they were sentenced in Indonesia. The Australian police and Australian court system had nothing to do with the sentencing of these scumbag drug dealers.

originally posted by: hellobruce

They never made it back to Australia, so how could the be arrested here?

Now you are just being plain silly. It is obvious that had the AFP not allowed the Indonesians to capture them in Bali that they would have made it to Melbourne to be arrested there. Please stop the nonsense and twisting of words.

How silly can you get, ever thought that the courier that delivered the convicted drug dealers their drugs also bought some in to sell in Indonesia?

No they did not, stop making things up.

Do you have anything NEW to add to MY thread, or are you just repeating yourself over and over again in an attempt to stall the thread and silence opinions you don't agree with?

Poor form. Really poor form.

originally posted by: Kryties
Now you are just being plain silly. It is obvious that had the AFP not allowed the Indonesians to capture them in Bali

They committed the crime of drug smuggling in Indonesia, they were caught in Indonesia - all their own fault. Why are you trying to blame others?

that they would have made it to Melbourne to be arrested there. Please stop the nonsense and twisting of words.

You are the one posting nonsense, and not wanting to blame those responsible - the drug smugglers themselves!

No they did not, stop making things up.

How do you know? Source please.

Do you have anything NEW to add to MY thread,

It is NOT your thread, you are just the OP. Anyone can post in it, and point out where you are wrong.

So why don't you want any blame put on the only people responsible, the drug smugglers themselves?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Kryties
Now you are just being plain silly. It is obvious that had the AFP not allowed the Indonesians to capture them in Bali

They committed the crime of drug smuggling in Indonesia, they were caught in Indonesia - all their own fault. Why are you trying to blame others?

Why are you deliberately ignoring the fact that had the AFP not alerted the Indonesians to the smugglers that they would have made it to Australia to be arrested there? Hmmm?

You are the one posting nonsense, and not wanting to blame those responsible - the drug smugglers themselves!

What a load of crap. Stop trolling my thread and attempting to stall it please, it shows extremely low character and stinks of desperation on your part.

originally posted by: Kryties
Why are you deliberately ignoring the fact that had the AFP not alerted the Indonesians to the smugglers that they would have made it to Australia to be arrested there?

We do not know that - remember, they had made several short trips there before to smuggle drugs back, they may have been on the lookout for them. Anyway AFP did a good job, alerting the Indonesians that a crime was being committed over there.

What a load of crap.

No, it is a fact that you refuse to put any blame on the drug smugglers themselves - now you are trying to blame the AFP for the drug smuggling in Indonesia. Pathetic really.

stinks of desperation on your part

What stinks of desperation is you trying to blame anybody else but refuse to put any blame on those responsible for the drug smuggling - why is that?

Apparently some people are too barbaric to show any form of humanity and admit that men can rehabilitate and show remorse for their crimes, and that the whole point of the prison system is to allow for that. The thought of them being executed excites people so much that they overlook and ignore extenuating circumstances and conjure up delusions that the men were faking their reform. Watching people die is of great interest to these people, so much so that they make up excuses and lies in order to be able to satiate their bloodthirsty and dark desires. Laws also mean nothing to these people, if a law can be ignored so that they get to vicariously experience what it is like to kill someone then so be it.

We have to share the world with these type of people, a minority yes, but one that threatens the very moral fabric of our species. One day the world will experience freedom from this type of dark and monsterous thinking, when we have evolved enough to recognise and exterminate it immediately upon showing itself.

Apparently some people think that drug smugglers in a country where the penalty for that is death should have no responsibility or blame put on them - it is all the fault of anybody and everybody else, no blame at all should be put on the drug smugglers. These people must be desperate to get drugs smuggled into Australia.

Then when the drug smugglers are caught and jailed, at their trial they constantly lie about having nothing at all to do with the drug smuggling, but that is fine as they are drug smugglers.

When they are convicted of drug smuggling, and their lawyer tells them their only chance of not being executed is to be "reformed" they then suddenly become "reformed" and start sucking up to everyone.

We share the world with drug smugglers and their supporters, who want no blame at all to fall on the drug smugglers, it is the fault of everyone else, no blame at all lies on the drug smugglers.

Laws mean nothing to drug smugglers and their supporters, they smuggle drugs in a country where the penalty for that is death, but when they are caught they start whining that it was all someone else's fault, the laws that they broke were not fair on drug smugglers.

We have to share the world with drug smugglers and their supporters, whose actions threaten the moral fabric of our society, destroys homes and families. One day the world will experience freedom from drug smugglers and their supporters and their dark and monstrous thinking that dealing in drugs is fine, when we evolve enough drug dealers and their supporters will be recognised and exterminated immediately upon showing themselves.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: hellobruce

They never made it back to Australia, so how could the be arrested here?

Now you are just being plain silly. It is obvious that had the AFP not allowed the Indonesians to capture them in Bali that they would have made it to Melbourne to be arrested there. Please stop the nonsense and twisting of words.

How silly can you get, ever thought that the courier that delivered the convicted drug dealers their drugs also bought some in to sell in Indonesia?

No they did not, stop making things up.

Why do you make sensational claims without any proof? I also would like to see your source for your claim that you know that the people of Indonesia were never sold any drugs being trafficked by the bali9. I find it rather amusing that you create this thread and persist in attacking anyone who won't see things your way, claiming that they are trying to derail "your" thread and silence an opinion they don't agree with, yet at the same time you've been doing the very same thing right from the beginning. The way you have been trying to shut down and sidestep any valid points brought up by hellobruce is a classic example of the low character and desperation you accuse him of possessing.

originally posted by: hellobruce
Apparently some people think that drug smugglers in a country where the penalty for that is death should have no responsibility or blame put on them - it is all the fault of anybody and everybody else, no blame at all should be put on the drug smugglers. These people must be desperate to get drugs smuggled into Australia.

You have completely ignored the fact that nobody had asked for the men to be freed, that yes they had done something wrong but deserved life imprisonment, not death. Why do you ignore this when the point has been made multiple times by multiple people?

Then when the drug smugglers are caught and jailed, at their trial they constantly lie about having nothing at all to do with the drug smuggling, but that is fine as they are drug smugglers.

Evidence please. And don't say you already have show evidence because YOU HAVE NOT.

I keep asking you for evidence and you think you're being a smartass by ignoring my evidence requests.

We share the world with drug smugglers and their supporters, who want no blame at all to fall on the drug smugglers, it is the fault of everyone else, no blame at all lies on the drug smugglers.

No we don't. Just because YOU choose to ignore the fact that nobody suggested they were innocent, and nobody suggested they be freed doesn't mean that we didn't say it - it just means you are ignoring it in your zeal to troll my thread.

Laws mean nothing to drug smugglers and their supporters, they smuggle drugs in a country where the penalty for that is death, but when they are caught they start whining that it was all someone else's fault, the laws that they broke were not fair on drug smugglers.

Wrong again, still trolling for attention. Nobody said that the were innocent and nobody said they deserved freedom. What the hell is wrong with you?

We have to share the world with drug smugglers and their supporters, whose actions threaten the moral fabric of our society, destroys homes and families. One day the world will experience freedom from drug smugglers and their supporters and their dark and monstrous thinking that dealing in drugs is fine, when we evolve enough drug dealers and their supporters will be recognised and exterminated immediately upon showing themselves.

Wow, so you can take my sentence and twist it to your dark and barbaric way of thinking, congratulations on taking out the Pettyness Award of the Year.

Have you got anything to say that doesn't involve trolling and repeating yourself over and over and over again in an attempt to stall my thread?