Bali nine duo executed by firing squad

originally posted by: Mogget
Capital punishment is cold blooded killing. It has no place in civilised society.

Drug dealers are cold blooded killers. They have no place in civilised society.

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

There are lots of things I wish I could take back. But I can't, and I have had to live with the consequences of my actions. That's life.
I don't understand why people like you think chan and sukumaran should not have had to face the consequences of theirs.

For the thousandth time in this thread, NOBODY is suggesting they should have been freed, only spared from the barbarity of execution because of their extreme rehabilitation efforts.

To the rest of you still trolling for attention by repeating the same, tired and disproven lines over and over again - HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE FAMILIES. Surely you have enough humanity left in you to do at least that?

a reply to: crazyewok

I personally think it's only right , that we bring freedom,democracy, and bombs to Bali in the wake of the execution of westeners.



And for all of you who say they were in their country! They knew the risk! Every single person who was in Isis territory knew the risk, every single person who got their head lopped off on hd Video had broken at least one of the Islamic states believes and laws, not Apple to Orange, Apple to apple.

Quite frankly it's not about the law because short of extreme sexual violence, and or murder, you should not face death as a consequence! Expesially death by firing squad! Or small pocket knife! This is called inhumane in the west! Stop frothing at the,mouth because some drug traffickers got executed, if that made your day your a #en sicko and have no compassion and stay the # away from me.

Crazyewok this seconded part wasn't directed towards you,

originally posted by: Kryties
To the rest of you still trolling for attention by repeating the same, tired and disproven lines over and over again - HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE FAMILIES. Surely you have enough humanity left in you to do at least that?

You should have never created this thread if you were so concerned with the feelings of the families. You posted a controversial topic and expected no rebuttals to the skewed picture you and the media are portraying?

a reply to: Dark Ghost

Mate you'll try anything to troll and derail this thread won't you?

Let me make this VERY CLEAR - I am not going away, I shall continue to stand up for what is right and REGARDLESS of how much you troll and derail I will keep the topic on point.

Please keep to the topic.

a reply to: Dark Ghost

It is also worthy to note I am doing EXACTLY what the executed men, and their families, wanted which is to use their deaths to help end the death penalty worldwide. This is widely documented, even on their last day the men reiterated that their deaths should mean something and their families requested that people stand up for what is right.

Which is EXACTLY what I am doing.

I am honoring the mens and their families wishes by creating this thread and I would appreciate it if you would stop derailing and trolling and stick to the point - doing ones research on the topic would be a very good starting point.

a reply to: camain

i feel sorry for you

originally posted by: Kryties
I am doing EXACTLY what the executed men, and their families, wanted which is to use their deaths to help end the death penalty worldwide.

Actually you are wrong again, their deaths just shows how stupid drug dealers and their supporters actually are. They ignored the warning signs at the airport, as it was just about how much money they could make from drug smuggling. They did not think about their families, they did not think about the victims their drugs would cause, it was just about them. Then when they got caught they lied for years, denying they had anything to do with it, until their lawyer told them their only hope was to show they had "reformed". Which they did, and some people fell for it.

Their deaths should help end drug smuggling worldwide - as the death penalty would not be used for drug smuggling anymore.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: crazyewok





And for all of you who say they were in their country! They knew the risk! Every single person who was in Isis territory knew the risk, every single person who got their head lopped off on hd Video had broken at least one of the Islamic states believes and laws, not Apple to Orange, Apple to apple.

Except for the tens, or possibly hundreds of thousands or even millions (cba to check) of people who lived in territory that ISIS moved in to. Which is pretty much all of them bar a few foreign aid workers and journalists... and those foreign aid workers and journo's are a mere fraction of a percent of those killed or tortured by ISIS.

Keep your bombs at home for once USA, you have to try it and see how that works out sooner or later.

a reply to: hellobruce

Wow, just wow.

The death penalty worldwide needs to end and the barbarity finished or people like certain people in this thread will keep using it to unjustly execute people against all known facts that execution does not work and is used purely for political and vengeful gain only.

I shall continue to honor the executed mens, and their families, final wishes that their deaths be used for this purpose, despite what die-hard bloodthirsty and ignorant people might say in order to derail the message.

originally posted by: Kryties
Mate you'll try anything to troll and derail this thread won't you?

Let me make this VERY CLEAR - I am not going away, I shall continue to stand up for what is right and REGARDLESS of how much you troll and derail I will keep the topic on point.

Please keep to the topic.

You have some nerve accusing me of trolling and derailing the thread. Every time somebody brings forth questions and arguments that challenge your distorted view on this topic, you resort to ad hominem attacks and deflect away from the tough questions they ask.

How arrogant of you to think you speak on behalf of the families' wishes. You are exploiting a tragedy to push forth your OWN political views. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but now it is crystal clear: you are using these men's deaths as a means to effect change for a law you are strongly opposed to.

originally posted by: Dark Ghost

You have some nerve accusing me of trolling and derailing the thread. Every time somebody brings forth questions and arguments that challenge your distorted view on this topic, you resort to ad hominem attacks and deflect away from the tough questions they ask.

Just as you have shown some nerve accusing me of being too emotional and therefore not knowing what I am talking about. You have also resorted to ad hominem attacks and deflection away from the tough questions I have asked - AND you started it.

How arrogant of you to think you speak on behalf of the families' wishes. You are exploiting a tragedy to push forth your OWN political views. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but now it is crystal clear: you are using these men's deaths as a means to effect change for a law you are strongly opposed to.

How dare YOU claim to know what the men and their families wished during all of this when you have CLEAR not done ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on the subject.

Please read this then STOP accusing me of things I did not do and derail the thread any further:

www.smh.com.au...

Bali nine duo's last wish - renewed global push to abolish the death penalty

Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran wanted their legacy to be a renewed push across the globe to abolish the death penalty.

Their long-time lawyer Julian McMahon revealed the desire as he disclosed new details about their final minutes, including that Chan made a roll call of the other prisoners to ensure they were okay just moments before they were shot dead.

Mr McMahon said the duo wanted people "to care enough about what has happened to do something about the death penalty".

"They would be pleased there was so much publicity around their death because they want their death to have some purpose and meaning far greater than the story being just about them. They want to help other prisoners on death row in other places."

From: dailymail.co.uk...

Sukumaran's brother Chinthu spent the last few hours with his brother. He said they did talk about the death penalty and how the deaths would change nothing.

'He (the Indonesian president) knows this is just a waste. He knows this is not going to solve anything with drugs,' said Chinthu.

'Drug trafficking will still be there.If these nine people die today, tomorrow, next week, next month, it is still not going to stop anything. I ask the president to please show mercy.

'Please don’t let my mum and my sister have to bury my brother.'

originally posted by: Kryties
unjustly execute people against all known facts that execution does not work

Except in this case the executions of scumbag drug dealers was not unjustified, they smuggled drugs in a country where the penalty for that was death. Thus they suffered the penalty they expected when they were caught smuggling drugs. All their own fault - no one else is responsible. And it does work, these 2 will not be able to arrange the smuggling of any more drugs.

order to derail the message.

The message being "Do not smuggle drugs in a country where the penalty for drug smuggling is death".

You are the one here attempting to derail that message!

originally posted by: hellobruce

Except in this case the executions of scumbag drug dealers was not unjustified,

Yes they were, as has been PROVEN on multiple occasions in this thread. Why do you keep ignoring clear evidence in favor of bloodthirsty vengeance?

You are the one here attempting to derail that message!

No, I am certain my message that these particular deaths, and the death penalty in general, were unjust, wrong and does not work to deter others from the same crime is completely on topic and to the point - despite what trolls and derailers may try to assert otherwise.

originally posted by: Kryties
Yes they were, as has been PROVEN on multiple occasions in this thread.

It has not been proven, you claim that but it is just your opinion.

No, I am certain my message that these particular deaths, and the death penalty in general, were unjust, wrong and does not work to deter others from the same crime

They were not unjust or wrong, they knew the penalty but just ignored it, then when they were caught they lied about it. So their execution is all their own fault, no one else can be blamed for it. It will deter others, and it has certainly deterred the 2 that were executed.

despite what trolls and derailers may try to assert otherwise.

That would be you!

originally posted by: hellobruce

It has not been proven, you claim that but it is just your opinion.

Nope, sorry but their rehabilitation was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt as well as the fact that Widodo broke international law regarding execution of drug smugglers and the fact that he did not individually assess their clemency applications. These are all PROVEN FACTS - despite how much you whinge and moan that they are not.

They were not unjust or wrong, they knew the penalty but just ignored it, then when they were caught they lied about it. So their execution is all their own fault, no one else can be blamed for it. It will deter others, and it has certainly deterred the 2 that were executed.

Provide some PROOF that the death penalty works. Go on, you know, EVIDENCE. I bet you cannot.

The fact of the matter is their deaths will do exactly NOTHING to deter others - the proof being that people keep getting sentenced to death DESPITE the laws.

That would be you!

Why would I troll my own thread, hmmm?

YOU are the one reiterating the same tired, disproven and barbaric points over and over again like a broken record whereas I am the one staying on topic, fulfilling the mens and their families wishes AND sticking up for what is right. YOU, sir, are the troll here - by any measure of the standard.

originally posted by: Kryties

Whoopdy doo. Its called DUE PROCESS. These men HAD A RIGHT to have their appeals fully heard and concluded before any decision made on their execution. Apparently DUE PROCESS this means nothing to you - or to the Indonesian President.

*Because people should not be executed after a prolonged stay on death row, because "the constant alternation of hope with despair [amounts] to mental torture, and [is] contrary to the convention on torture"

I am against the death penalty and agree with you on many of your points. I had never heard of this case and am glad for the information you have provided here. However I had to comment on an inconsistency I am seeing on your side of the argument.

On one hand you (and many of the people agreeing with you) are saying they should have been given more time to have appeals etc., but on the other hand the source you are quoting and some people are saying allowing it to be drug out was tantamount to torture.

So if they would have been given more appeals and lost, as you would have to admit would be likely as you think the system was rigged against these men, their torture would have been drug out.

I appreciate what you are doing in this thread but I think you risk sounding bias when you are making arguments that are inconsistent with each other.

originally posted by: Kryties
Nope, sorry but their rehabilitation was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt

No it had not....

as well as the fact that Widodo broke international law regarding execution of drug smugglers

Again, he did not...

and the fact that he did not individually assess their clemency applications.

Please show exactly where in Indonesian law he has to do that.

These are all PROVEN FACTS -

Shouting does not make them facts - they are just your opinion.

despite how much you whinge and maon that they are not.

You are the one whining and moaning here because 2 drug dealers were executed!

Provide some PROOF that the death penalty works. Go on, you know, EVIDENCE. I bet you cannot.

Wrong again - these 2 will not smuggle any more drugs or arrange drug smuggling trips for others any more - so the death penalty has worked! Let us see you deny that proof!

Why would I troll my own thread,

Only you can give a reason for you doing that!

and sticking up for what is right.

Wrong again, as executing drug smugglers in Indonesia is right, and you are not sticking up for that. Troll!

originally posted by: Grambler

I am against the death penalty and agree with you on many of your points. I had never heard of this case and am glad for the information you have provided here. However I had to comment on an inconsistency I am seeing on your side of the argument.

On one hand you (and many of the people agreeing with you) are saying they should have been given more time to have appeals etc., but on the other hand the source you are quoting and some people are saying allowing it to be drug out was tantamount to torture.

That's easy, the process should not have taken 10 years. The appeals could have been heard more quickly and the clemency applications should not have been left for so long before being attended to - giving the families enough time to get their challenges to the blanket denial heard sooner rather than AFTER their executions.

I understand the confusion, thank you for bringing it up and allowing me to clarify it.

a reply to: hellobruce

I am not going to get into a tit-for-tat "Yes they did", "No they didn't" argument with you, as you clearly are trying to steer this conversation towards. DO NOT DERAIL MY THREAD ANY FURTHER - If you have EVIDENCE to prove your points then SHOW IT or be silent. I am not simply going to take your word for it "Just because".

SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE. I have shown mine, now show yours. Is that so hard to do? (I already know the answer to that by the way).