Fox News and the Going Clear expose' Expose'?

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I can't believe they have tax exempt status..they must of dug up some good dirt on those that make or lobby for that kind of decision.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

(still thinks paying $10,000 for a newly invented 'clearing' is getting him film roles)

Add a few zeros to that number.

I saw an interview with John Travorevolting last night on David Letterman. He was talking about how many planes he owns, and all I could think of was how many Scientolgists he's got to shuttle around, to get his tax deductions! I'm positive he's a minster.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I can't believe they have tax exempt status..they must of dug up some good dirt on those that make or lobby for that kind of decision.

At that time the notion of Scientology was not yet a 'church'; it was an idea; basically the books Hubbard was selling as a "Dianetics" philosophy was creating an organization and not paying taxes on the book sales (Hubbard was a cheapskate and hated paying even personal taxes). It became a "Church" ONLY because of the IRS investigations. How this happened was in this way:
The IRS had to prove this was NOT a faith based idea form or religion (Dianetics could be a new Epistle to the Bible and Hubbard the writer).
The IRS had to prove this was NOT based in a faith of any type; no matter what form the Prophets words took; as Hubbard was revered beyond being just an author of an idea.

No way for the IRS to do any such thing as be able in law to define FAITH; and in fact it was the Internal Revenue Service that accidently pushed Scientology into the realm of the religious domain. Hubbard was all about non-fiction not God at all; he thought of himself as a Jules Verne visionary. This tax exempt status fell on his lap like manna from heaven and he then reincorporated as "The Church Of Scientology".

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Sounds like there were still shenanigins..here is an interesting bit from wiki:

"After being recognized as a tax-exempt religious organization in 1957, Scientology's tax-exempt status was lost in a 1967 IRS audit.[5] As part of the effort to regain tax exemption during the late 1970s, Scientologists repeatedly infiltrated the IRS, copying large numbers of documents and at one point placing an electronic bugging device in an IRS conference room.[5] These actions took place within a program code-named "Operation Snow White" (see below).[5] Eleven high-ranking Scientologists, including Hubbard's wife Mary Sue Hubbard, were sentenced to time in prison for acts surrounding this operation.[5] Hubbard himself was named as an unindicted co-conspirator as investigators could not link him to the crimes"

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Sounds like there were still shenanigins..here is an interesting bit from wiki

After being recognized as a tax-exempt religious organization in 1957, Scientology's tax-exempt status was lost in a 1967 IRS audit.[5] As part of the effort to regain tax exemption during the late 1970s, Scientologists repeatedly infiltrated the IRS, copying large numbers of documents and at one point placing an electronic bugging device in an IRS conference room.[5] These actions took place within a program code-named "Operation Snow White" (see below).[5] Eleven high-ranking Scientologists, including Hubbard's wife Mary Sue Hubbard, were sentenced to time in prison for acts surrounding this operation.[5] Hubbard himself was named as an unindicted co-conspirator as investigators could not link him to the crimes

Oh yes there were more; as the IRS was not done with his outsmarting them in the first round. Inflated with so much power Hubbard regarded the IRS as an easy target; and if you have the money influence and recourses (which he did) went to all lengths to infiltrate and defame an imaginary enemy (tax collector). He cared nothing for his wife.

I'd be most interested to find additional Scientology connections within the media.

I discovered this page, which has mostly older information, but is informative on the actions taken against Scientology.
www.apologeticsindex.org...
What a crazy long battle it has been to diminish the power of this organization! They have a great deal of other articles about Scientology as well.

Here's a list of their punitive policies. Hardly a list one would find of a peaceful religion...

I've e-mailed Mike Rinder with some of my thoughts regarding this post. Hopefully, he receives it.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: vethumanbeing

vhb
(still thinks paying $10,000 for a newly invented 'clearing' is getting him film roles)

windword: Add a few zeros to that number.
I saw an interview with John Travorevolting last night on David Letterman. He was talking about how many planes he owns, and all I could think of was how many Scientolgists he's got to shuttle around, to get his tax deductions! I'm positive he's a minster.

Has to be! just as Tom Cruise is. The funny thing about 'new revelations' as you pay for them the cost goes up, and if (for instance you have a (totally invented) 'volcanic alien' attached to your body you WILL NEED THAT CLEARED).

a reply to: gottaknow
I am not 'official' media; but my experience with them in the late '90s' was an eye opener. I had to make an appointment inquiry (San Diego Offices) and the price for this 'audience' was 179.00 US dollars. I was actually questioned as to my ability to be a member of Scientology. The interview was like a grilling. The subsequent pages long questionnaire was intrusive and belligerent (almost like taking a Psychological Personality Minnesota Means test). Financial information was to be given as well. Getting out of there was tricky (after they knew I could afford the ministry). "DONT GO, WAIT!: We have more to show you"; dragging me to the L. Ron Hubbard memorial office, fully outfitted; that was behind glass, like a museum diorama. I asked them "What is this for?" they answered (and I kid you not) "Just in case he returns".

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: gottaknow

Look, I'm skeptical about Scientology. It was made up by a science fiction writer and believes in an alien being called Xenu, but that in and of itself doesn't mean that Scientology is inherently harmful to its followers, only misguided.

You need to research the cult more.

It successfully infiltrated the IRS. France found evidence of infiltration of several government agencies, schools and the medical profession, leading to criminal cases. The London cult branch has what can only be called a "suspicious relationship" with the authorities, uncovered by anons in their actions against the cult.

There are numerous cases of cult members found dead, accusations of massive child abuse within the cult, allegations of torture, harassment and even suspicions of critics bing murdered to silence them.

One of the founding articles of the cult claims that murder is acceptable.

You should read about some of the real victims of this cult, like the man who was found boiled in a bathtub, the woman rescued from a makeshift prison cell, or the critic who was found dead days after being threatened by cult members watching his home from a van.