The Vatican is corrupt

Abraham.........who said Hate???

I dont remember saying that I hate gays!
Or that God hates gay's...........God hates SIN ...

It seems to me that You are not satisfied with any answer given to you.......therefore you dont hear what is being said.......you decide in your mind what to accept as being 'right' for you......and not what is right in God's eyes.....

Why is it that you cannot accept SIN.........we all sin and fall short in the glory of God.....
Recognition of Sin is the start to living a rightous life....
Living according to the law of God........if you do not desire to know God.......then it is your own choice to do so.....FREE WILL ........it is in your hands!
Stop using the word 'Hate' to justify what your beleifs are.......it does not make one see things more clearly!
Hate is when you think only of yourself.....you please yourself.......
I never said I hate anyone.....I may be in ''disagreement' but I do not ''Hate'' anyone for their actions.....How can I judge someone if I have wrongfully commited a sin......be it whatever the sin may be........it is a sin......therefore I am in no position to condemn anyone of their act.......

I didn't mention hate.

I was talking about people and their hatred of Jews.

I wasn't speaking of you or anything related to the topic.

Jag just took it out of context.

It has been fun but in my opinion this arguement is dead.

You will never convince me that being gay is a sin.

You tried and you failed.

You say "In God's eyes" a lot.

As if you were able to see through God's eyes.

Well let me tell you something.

You are not God.

Either is the bible.

The bible can tell me all it wants about this and that.

It still doesn't mean anything.

The only thing with meaning is God.

The bible is useless.

For I see no God in the bible.

Only words.

God isn't a word.

He is the word.

Any word is God, not just some.

Some words written by some Jews doesn't mean it the word of God.

The only person who can convince me that being gay is a sin is God.

Even then I would still have trouble believing such crap.

Seeing is believing.

No I haven't seen.

No I haven't seen how being gay is sinful.

No one has been able to show me why or how.

So please stop this crusade.

You won't convince me so.

And no I don't hate you or have any problems with you.

Just differences.

By the way, God doesn't hate anything.

If he does than he isn't worthy of being my God.



Abraham

Abraham, your a fake and a hypocrite.

How can you believe in God and not believe in The Books. Where did you get your knowledge of God then? Did He personally appear to you and say , "Here I am..."

Abraham, your blowing everything out of proportion. Don't ever call me a religious fanatic, I didnt say nothing to you. Don't blame me because your stupid and can't understand something that should be real easy. A third grader can understand the concept of being gay=sin. Grow up.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
A third grader can understand the concept of being gay=sin. Grow up.

only a third grader brought up on religious/moral dogma.

Ok, even though Abraham asks for proof, you only use books which no one can prove were "inspired by god".

They didn't just poof. People in power wanted a way to control the masses. So they get the three people in the land that can read and write and have them write this stuff out. Afterwards, they kill them to keep them quite and go out and tell he people about how if they don't act like sheep and follow blindly, they will go to a place and be tortured and burned for all eternity.

But still, as Abraham said, proof why pleasure is a sin, why just sex is a sin. And, I want my questions answered, which the two who keep saying just sex is a sin keep avoiding.

Il67, what if you were infertile? Should you never have sex since it would only be sex, not procreating? Or Helen, if you menopaused and could no longer have kids, should you have sex with your husband? If you did, according to you, it is sinful for not procreating, but just sex.

So, is just sex a sin, or only a sin if two people of same sex do it? And I can't believe you two, is this still the 1700's? Same sex relationships hurt no one, they make the people happy, and help with the overpopulation problem.(and for some of us, girl on girl relationships, well, yea!!!!)

Il67, that last comment means nothing. Generalizing is wrong. How do you know a third grader would believe in what you do? Did you ask every single third grader? No.

Second, why do you need a book? Obviously something made everything, so there you go. Some call it god, allah, hurn, goddess, shiva, ra, so forth. Besides, some say you need the book to learn morals and such. Why? Isn't it common sense to know not to sleep around on your wife? Not to steal, kill(which in the bible god does alot of), or any of the other things that are wrong? No. Besides, if the book is written by the corrupt, how can it be the words of god? And if you say it is the words of god, where's the proof? Or inspired, where's the proof?

See, in simple terms, some people aren't sheep. Some don't go"yes master, whatever you say master, right away master". Some go"why master?". Those are the people who grew up to do great things. Those are the ones that create, invent, discover, search for the answers. They don't just go "yep, master says so in this book written by humans 2000 years ago, so not written by master, but inspired, even though they have no proof, but they say master did inspire it, so it is masters words".

See how stupid and funny that sounds? Well, can't be to stupid cause millions believe in it. Or could it be the other way around?

[Edited on 8-6-2003 by James the Lesser]

James the Lesser: Notice I didnt say "just" having sex is sinning. That's all Helen. I would never say something so dumb.

Please redirect your question to her and her only, thanks.

illmatic........neither did I !

I said sex outside of marriage......and or with another spouse .......

Not being able to have children has nothing to do with sex.......well, it does, but if one is not able to, then i'm sure it is legal.....gee,what do you want me to say?

The Bible is not against Sex........it is the pleasure of one wanting sex for pleasing one's desire....lust.....
Look.....beleive whatever!

So what has the Vatican got to do with this???
Go to the homoSEXUAL THREAD........
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I am going to start calling you "Ill"

That is what you are.

Ill.

Keep calling people stupid and dumb.

See how far that gets you with God.

See how far that gets you here.

That is all I have to say.

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
I am going to start calling you "Ill"

That is what you are.

Ill.

Keep calling people stupid and dumb.

See how far that gets you with God.

See how far that gets you here.

That is all I have to say.

lol, please let this be the last time you post in this thread. Don't embarrass yourself no more.

What are you doing?????

Are you trying to start a fight?????

Cause I already said I am a lover.

I don't hate.

Unlike others around here.

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
What are you doing?????

Are you trying to start a fight?????

Cause I already said I am a lover.

I don't hate.

Unlike others around here.

Ok, congratulations.

First, yes you did helen. You said that sex is for two things, procreating and pleasure. But gay sex is just pleasure, and that is why it is a sin, for it is not for procreation.

Sorry, Il67, I shall redirect it to helen, who seems to have a memory lapse.

One of those original laws on rape in the bible said" If a man comes upon a young damsel in a field and forces here to lie with him and is caught he must pay her father some 50 sheckels of silver and agree to marry. I guarantee you man inspired that one. I bet they got a lot of breakers on that one.

[Edited on 9-6-2003 by TgSoe]

Hah ha haa ha !

This thread was supposed to be about the coruption in the Vatican.

Instend it's become a religious punch up over homosexuality.

Can't be to much coruption in the Vatican at all. Whew!

Certianly, the homophobic, God fearing, rightous doing, the good (Holy) book say's.... are trulyl iving in the dark.

Come on people! Strong views on this topic are unnecessary today. Come in to the light to beloved as you are. Push open the door that holds you captive, lingering dangerously in the dark. It's only a colset!

Good post Maddas. But yes, this started out as corruption and wrong doings of the church. Of course, is raping small boys and abusing your power part of that? People say they aren't perfect. Uh, I don't see others out there doing this. Never heard of a Rabbi, a minister, so forth. Women yes, but undergage boys? Nope. This is more than not being perfect.