We live in a Simulated Reality

originally posted by: anonentity

Its the information on how they are put together, that creates an animated being, the chemicals by themselves do not self animate.

Are you equating "the information" with consciousness?

originally posted by: anonentity
In that sense what we consider reality, is already a simulation, of infinite wave functions, locked into a learnt paradigm. .

When you say "reality" do you mean what we typically perceive or what is prior to all conditionality - i.e., consciousness?

This is interesting relative to elements being wave functions, because when we perceive an apparent object, we can look at it from all different angles and never really be able to fully grok how it actually looks - because every perspective or pov makes it appear differently. So how does it actually appear? A non-human creature perceives that same object quite differently.

And even stranger, what IS that object in reality? Not what is its elemental make-up or any such description, atomic, quantum, or otherwise - but what IS it actually?

At best I can conclude that it is a modification of light - and so has both wave and particle characteristics. But fundamentally, I still don't know what it IS.

originally posted by: bb23108

originally posted by: anonentity

Its the information on how they are put together, that creates an animated being, the chemicals by themselves do not self animate.

Are you equating "the information" with consciousness?

originally posted by: anonentity
In that sense what we consider reality, is already a simulation, of infinite wave functions, locked into a learnt paradigm. .

When you say "reality" do you mean what we typically perceive or what is prior to all conditionality - i.e., consciousness?

This is interesting relative to elements being wave functions, because when we perceive an apparent object, we can look at it from all different angles and never really be able to fully grok how it actually looks - because every perspective or pov makes it appear differently. So how does it actually appear? A non-human creature perceives that same object quite differently.

And even stranger, what IS that object in reality? Not what is its elemental make-up or any such description, atomic, quantum, or otherwise - but what IS it actually?

At best I can conclude that it is a modification of light - and so has both wave and particle characteristics. But fundamentally, I still don't know what it IS.

IT IS the subjective observable definition of wave functions. From a wave function that has become self aware . How did a wave function become self aware? because it has to have a level of isolation, from the rest. Once this degree is reached, it can then observe other wave functions , the act of observation IS consciousness. Or being awake and aware, of that which is observable. Therefore what is not observable, is you. So reality is the personal, internal definitions of wave functions. Therefore consciousness must be information contained in a partially isolated wave function. This isolated information wave must have the concept of time, to make observable information, non chaotic, and retrievable.

In a Universal context, once a wave function, becomes aware of self, it can never become unaware , because it would mean its information of being self aware would be lost. Because the memory of being self aware, has to be kept safe, and retrievable, it must be stored everywhere, because being self aware is essentially a memory of self, in a Universe composed of wave functions. Thoughts are wave functions, so the Universe is a thought, so everything including ,IT, is a thought.

Great thread!

I just thought I'd add this little morsel..

This info resonates with other studying I have done and is very interesting!

The afterlife is just another trap brought about by high technology..The Moon,Sun and Saturn are all major factors in this reality we perceive..I believe the whole universe is a hologram by default,but this has been over ridden and tainted by the the combination of the Saturn,Moon and Sun Matrix..here ya go:
www.trickedbythelight.com...

a reply to: anonentity
That's a fascinating description. What you seem to be describing is the self-aware observer function of the brain-mind, given you speak in terms of an observer (the sense of one's self) observing objects.

However, consciousness, the way I see it, is beyond all forms - waves, particles, or otherwise. It is unqualified, and that is what our awareness actually is, but through association with attention, it identifies with the limited body-mind processes - e.g., the observer.

So again, any such simulation would require unconditional Consciousness (Awareness) to associate with the brain-mind-attention complex to fully work.

originally posted by: bb23108
a reply to: anonentity
That's a fascinating description. What you seem to be describing is the self-aware observer function of the brain-mind, given you speak in terms of an observer (the sense of one's self) observing objects.

However, consciousness, the way I see it, is beyond all forms - waves, particles, or otherwise. It is unqualified, and that is what our awareness actually is, but through association with attention, it identifies with the limited body-mind processes - e.g., the observer.

So again, any such simulation would require unconditional Consciousness (Awareness) to associate with the brain-mind-attention complex to fully work.


For a reality model to operate , All it probably needs is the concept of linear time flow, to order information in a non chaotic retrievable way .Then to be taught what's retrievable, then picking relevant information from the chaos and making it coherent . It would have to ignore all non relevant information, because not doing so would lead to a state of "To much information" which is chaos . The sense of self needs the concept of an individual platform ,which is isolated but not completely so to function as the observer .The concept of having a body, which is personalised. So each individual, is gaining retrievable information , and storing it. Each individual represents the coherent Universe observing itself from many vantage points at once.


If you brought up by a monkey species , that would be your trained/taught, observational platform, stuck in a monkey mind , for the duration. But the degree of isolation being a monkey might limit the "isolation" needed to observe with a fuller consciousness, because the species is more attached to group dynamics. Humans can hide stuff and lie, IE. isolate themselves, from the group. Where Monkeys, might try to do it, but the observation of the group lowers the chances of getting away with it. We are more conscious of monkeys , and can observe them better , than they can us, because of our degree of conscious isolation is more advanced. That's why I'm suggesting a degree of isolation , makes the isolated more conscious, more conscious means the Universe is more observable therefore ,that consciousness that the human has , is a bit more than a monkeys.

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a reply to: Belcastro

Just wondering OP, have you ever spent any amount of time living in a known virtual world?

You know, one like say World of Warcraft? And if you have, have you ever noticed the kind of things that can be different? Like the way "physical" particles interact with each other, or the physics of the world...it is these kinds of thing that will belie the whole environment, regardless of how well it is "put together"...

Then there is johnwick's statement: "If this was the matrix, you would think it possible to make life not sucks so much for so many of us all the time. "

You know, in order to make a virtual reality actually work, you would have to provide an environment that no bdy ad issue with, an environment that nobody wished to escape. So, these little character building" events would never happen...and all would be "ducky" all of the time...reality is it ain't.

And, this reality we live in, while still an illusion, is not some place like the Matrix...we have a kind of reality that is made and interpreted by ourselves. For better or worse, what we have, is what we wanted.