The souls of those who went before: where do they go?

originally posted by: thepitpony
So here is the conundrum, if they were so devote in there beliefs what happened to there souls when they passed on if there gods did not exist and there is only one true god which they have never heard of?

1 would think that THE, who is Truly objectively acknowledged as the GOD of the METAPHYSICAL Souls of mankind
would be in possession of the heightened observation ability to see WITHIN many who have worshiped or sent/shared their meta energy through prayer or sacrifice...

And with this heightened observation ability benevolence or malevolence Spirit integrity and potential can be determined per individual worshiper...
Allowing the perceived GOD the opportunity to see the Intent within each observed worshiper, as they worshiped potential non existent Gods or existing advanced beings masquerading in order to receive the transmitted meta energy sent in sacrifice or prayer/worship form...

So in short OP 1 feels THE would see the intents of those worshipers of the past & present to send benevolent energy in form of prayer and benevolent activities.
THE to 1 also would be able to see the intents of those who seek to worship another with malevolent activities and sacrificial actions upon others in exchange for some form of power or influence over others...

And with these abilities THE would be able to determine which Souls/Spirit/Internal Energies within Existence have called for THE in various times within the time loops to assist in their guidance, if even called upon through many labels all meaning/calling the same GOD...
So through 1z subjective analysis those Souls/Spirits/Internal ENERGIES would be protected and found eventually by the many minions of THE TRUE LORD.
Others may have through malevolent activities and sacrificial worships ATTRACTED their Souls/Spirits/Internal ENERGIES to potential existing CREATOR Creations that may be more malevolent beings and realms. But through experiences within the life and death phases within EXISTENCE they may find ways through benevolent to escape or ASCEND beyond eventually.


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originally posted by: thepitpony
Before I start this discussion I would like to state that I am an agnostic ( raised in a very strict Christian belief but who no longer adheres to there definition of God or religious teachings). My own beliefs does differ from the those held by main stream religions and has a more paganism view.

The question I would like to ask stems from history. Throughout school I was taught that our forebears in every country worshipped many other God's before the onset of Christianity (some performing human sacrifices). So here is the conundrum, if they were so devote in there beliefs what happened to there souls when they passed on if there gods did not exist and there is only one true god which they have never heard of?

I am asking this question not to cause discourse but in the intent of discussion in a civil and adult manner.

What if there are no gods, we don't have souls and therefore when we pass on we simply stop existing. Is that a worrying, or liberating thought?

Not saying it's true (I don't know), but surely it's a possibility?

originally posted by: Cogito, Ergo Sum
originally posted by: thepitpony

Cogito,Ergo Sum: What if there are no gods, we don't have souls and therefore when we pass on we simply stop existing. Is that a worrying, or liberating thought? Not saying it's true (I don't know), but surely it's a possibility?

No possibility at all. If this were all an accident of evolution why is there only one 'living library' ever to have existed in all of creation (WE ARE IT) *a three dimensional extravaganza that is the greatest experiment God ever tried*? What was the point of all of this (not liberating at all) simply to confuse us further as to smart God gamesmanship. That thought is cruel; and I'm fairly certain our Creator is not evil.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
No possibility at all.

That implies direct knowledge. I wonder if you are really being honest here (to yourself especially)?

originally posted by: vethumanbeing If this were all an accident of evolution why is there only one 'living library' ever to have existed in all of creation (WE ARE IT) *a three dimensional extravaganza that is the greatest experiment God ever tried*?

Who says we are the only one? (we are the only one we know of).

Our universe is basically a vacuum. Orders of magnitude better than can be created in a lab. Within what little matter there is in this vacuum, we don't amount to a needle in a haystack, or even an individual proton in a haystack. We are an imperceptible epiphenomenon that arose on a very thin layer of something that is so tiny as to already be utterly insignificant in the grander sense.

If the universe were an experiment, perhaps no one has (or even could) notice us. If there were a god, that would make sense. He either hasn't noticed us, or doesn't care.

What was the point of all of this (not liberating at all) simply to confuse us further as to smart God gamesmanship.

Why does there have to be a point to it?

That thought is cruel; and I'm fairly certain our Creator is not evil.

Not sure if you've had a good look at the natural world, but nature is exceptionally cruel. If it was created purposefully, then that creator is crueler and more evil than we can probably really conceive of. Why must the truth of existence give us the "warm and fuzies". Are you afraid of the alternative?

Why couldn't "non existence" be the greatest liberation of all? Are you so enamored with yourself that you want it continue eternally? Get a little boring, wouldn't it? I can conceive of the possibility that we continue on in some form or other. Not one in a way that would allow for any notion of individuality though. I can also conceive of the possibility that there simply is nothing more. The very thing that makes this seem terrifying to some, is where it's true beauty lies IMO. Though I don't "know" the truth of it.

Where do they go?

They go to purgatory, it's right there, in the bible.



a reply to: thepitpony

originally posted by: thepitpony
a reply to: FyreByrd
Not sold on reincarnation to be honest, the fact that that humanity is increasing in population raises the question (to me) where do all the new souls come from? I am more of a bi liver that when we move on we become part of the universe, our atoms becoming constructive blocks for other aspects (environment, stars ,galaxy's ) and so part of us is immortal.

Your assumption that the reincarnation theory is invalid due to our increasing population only holds up if you assume that souls are limited to incarnating on earth.

You may want to consider the possibility that our souls may have infinite choices in an infinite universe, to choose the garden and experience most suitable for their own stage of growth at that particular point in time.

The good news is, it still supports your belief that part of is indeed immortal.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: thepitpony
a reply to: FyreByrd
Not sold on reincarnation to be honest, the fact that that humanity is increasing in population raises the question (to me) where do all the new souls come from? I am more of a bi liver that when we move on we become part of the universe, our atoms becoming constructive blocks for other aspects (environment, stars ,galaxy's ) and so part of us is immortal.

Your assumption that the reincarnation theory is invalid due to our increasing population only holds up if you assume that souls are limited to incarnating on earth.
You may want to consider the possibility that our souls may have infinite choices in an infinite universe, to choose the garden and experience most suitable for their own stage of growth at that particular point in time.
The good news is, it still supports your belief that part of is indeed immortal.

There appears to be more opportunity as this human population explodes (more bodies to inhabit). This is function of numbers. Those bodies are not exactly the best suited (environment). Absolutely if you want your next life experience to be one of abject poverty, or living in a war zone; its available. Who does that if correcting Karma or is desperate, are those the terrorists or the suicide bombers of our age we are now experiencing?

Do ants have souls? Do they live on? What about microbes, cockroaches, cats, dogs, whales, dolphins etc.? If not, why not?

a reply to: thepitpony

I don't quite understand what your asking...your saying before the onset of Christianity, but if Judaism/Christianity theology is true then that was the only form of worship. The Jews has something known as the Hebrew Mazzaroth. It is better known as the Zodiac. Each star in those constellations had a Hebrew name. They told the story of redemption. It was how the Hebrews kept oral tradition accurate by having a book in the stars.

So here is the conundrum, if they were so devote in there beliefs what happened to there souls when they passed on if there gods did not exist and there is only one true god which they have never heard of?

Perhaps the conundrum is from the teachings itself. When books tell of the most high then we can presume that there are lower highs. Perhaps God has many faces, one might even be the veil that science tries to break through. The fact that you care for them is telling.

originally posted by: Cogito, Ergo Sum
Do ants have souls? Do they live on? What about microbes, cockroaches, cats, dogs, whales, dolphins etc.? If not, why not?

Of course they do; its a lower level of existence experienced is all. Here is the funny thing regarding the experience of: usually you are at the top of the 'entertainment' game; you have experienced all you can Karmic wise (as a human) and can come back as an enlightened being and experience being an insect, a cougar, an eagle in flight (these experiences are the true carnival ride). Why? because you have achieved a level of enlightenment to be able to do so just for the fun of being a tree; the leaf it welds or a rock or a vaporous cloud etc.. (and so being at that level NEVER have to experience being a human again). There are only 31 million of us trying to enlighten the world populace (nothing compared to the 7 billion existing here).

Energy is neither created or destroyed.

The building blocks for that initial spark of primitive life comes from energy of the sun or star of any given life sustaining planet. Life doesn't spring from absolutely nothing at all...
A single cell life form has a short life while other cells forming need that spark which must transform. Through time, maybe eons, that spark grows, out grows that single cell and seeks out more complex life fitting its energy.
Through time that spark in that single cell inhabits a fish, a bird, a horse, a dolphin, a chimpanzee, a human, each step in evolution completes..
Eventually this energy becomes to much for a physical embodiment and it leaves the planet of origin where it continues to grow perhaps even absorbing and being absorbed by other "ascended" energy beings. Of course, this energy could develop gravity, collect matter and turn into a new born star thus completing the universal circle.

Anything is possible.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Of course they do; its a lower level of existence experienced is all. Here is the funny thing regarding the experience of: usually you are at the top of the 'entertainment' game; you have experienced all you can Karmic wise (as a human) and can come back as an enlightened being and experience being an insect, a cougar, an eagle in flight (these experiences are the true carnival ride). Why? because you have achieved a level of enlightenment to be able to do so just for the fun of being a tree; the leaf it welds or a rock or a vaporous cloud etc.. (and so being at that level NEVER have to experience being a human again). There are only 31 million of us trying to enlighten the world populace (nothing compared to the 7 billion existing here).

That's good. I've always been worried about our little friends, the microbes.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
There are only 31 million of us trying to enlighten the world populace (nothing compared to the 7 billion existing here).

Care to explain more about this?

originally posted by: Cogito, Ergo Sum

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
There are only 31 million of us trying to enlighten the world populace (nothing compared to the 7 billion existing here).

Care to explain more about this?

Sure. There are some of us here that are delegated to have incarnated (in this time frame [of/in a human body form]) to specific purpose; that reason is to raise the consciousness of this planet. Back in the old days; say 12,000 years ago this planet was of a higher frequency. What this higher dimension allowed was for 'enlighteners' to come in (you would call them the "watchers/Elohim" to civilization build in order to help man as existed at this time. They could (because this world was of a higher frequency) alter stone using sound techniques and build temples (pyramids) in what is known as the 'middle east' or 'middle and South America' basically carve/melt lift the stones that were (to their mind) alive to create what you see today. These civilizations died out and the structures remain as questions (who did this). Mankind itself; by its own actions over the last 12,000 years has lowered the frequency of this planet. One cannot raise a 5 ton stone anymore just using sound waves. This dimension (some call it frequency distortion) has been warped by too much human contamination and the 'idea form of Karma' has much to bear the blame; as it suffocated the spirit/soul in a "rewind" (here we go again) very tiresome process that is proven just as 'socialism/communism' not to be productive. The universe works on productivity POSSITIVE GROWTH. It is a being that wishes to continue its existence; not thwart itself into a state of inexistence.