BREAKING: Co-Pilot intentional crashed plane. Co Pilot Named

hmmm

weird

originally posted by: Grand Master
I Keep thinking about it over and over again... Its puzzling me!
Something is not right with what the French Prosecutor Brice Robin say's

"the co-pilot (28-year-old Andreas Lubitz) appears to have prevented the pilot from re-entering the cockpit"
However, he failed to respond to increasingly desperate calls from the commander trying to break down the cockpit door, or to air traffic controllers.

Then, Robin said the co-pilot could be heard breathing right up until the point of impact, suggesting he had NOT lost consciousness.

Now, how can a co-pilot remain breathing calm through all of "desperate calls from the commander trying to break down the cockpit door" "or to air traffic controllers"

This doesn't make sense... "He for surly didn't have a Bob Marley smoke and chilled out".
Any person in that situation, There heart would be pacing at 100 mph. There breathing would significantly be higher. This just doesn't seen right.

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Obviously, you haven't been around many suicidal people, have you? When a person has made the conscious decision to end their life, and accept their fate, they can be incredibly, unnervingly calm and collected, focused. Even euphoric.Contrary to what many people believe, suicide is not always an impulsive act. In fact, it can be downright methodical in its planning and execution. So the co-pilot remaining calm and collected as he rammed a plane full of people into a mountainside is not odd, nor even remotely suspicious if the guy was in full blown suicide mode.

I have experienced a couple periods of extreme suicidal tendencies in my life, even attempted it once. My state of mind was relaxed, even slightly euphoric once I had crossed "the threshold", as I call it. The threshold being the point where you have truly embraced your own end and feel relief, because now you have nothing left to fear. In fact, it is a commonly noted trait in suicidal people: In the days leading up to their death, those around them notice they seem in a very calm, pleasant, relaxed state.

The co-pilot's actions do not seem bizarre at all, if he was indeed suicidal.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

It depends.... in the context of being in a cockpit diving nose first into a mountain, i would be inclined to go with heavy breathing or shouting if not going totally nuts during your last moments.

This isnt hollywood remember, people do have feeling they are human beings!

originally posted by: Grand Master
I Keep thinking about it over and over again... Its puzzling me!
Something is not right with what the French Prosecutor Brice Robin say's

"the co-pilot (28-year-old Andreas Lubitz) appears to have prevented the pilot from re-entering the cockpit"
However, he failed to respond to increasingly desperate calls from the commander trying to break down the cockpit door, or to air traffic controllers.

Then, Robin said the co-pilot could be heard breathing right up until the point of impact, suggesting he had NOT lost consciousness.

Now, how can a co-pilot remain breathing calm through all of "desperate calls from the commander trying to break down the cockpit door" "or to air traffic controllers"

This doesn't make sense... "He for surly didn't have a Bob Marley smoke and chilled out".
Any person in that situation, There heart would be pacing at 100 mph. There breathing would significantly be higher. This just doesn't seen right.

Source:

Sadly, if he was at peace with his decision, it makes all the sense in the world. It doesn't have to make sense to anyone but the one who flew the place at that very moment.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

It depends.... in the context of being in a cockpit diving nose first into a mountain, i would be inclined to go with heavy breathing or shouting if not going totally nuts during your last moments.

This isnt hollywood remember, people do have feeling they are human beings!

The passengers were screaming. He was not. He was the one cool with dying, the passengers weren't. So he's not going to get freaked out, especially if he has gone into a full dissociative state or melt down. This guy, if he was suicidal, was not in his right mind to begin with. So fugue/trance behavior would not be unexpected, and in that state, he would be very unlikely to be there enough to scream or freak out.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

It depends.... in the context of being in a cockpit diving nose first into a mountain, i would be inclined to go with heavy breathing or shouting if not going totally nuts during your last moments.

This isnt hollywood remember, people do have feeling they are human beings!

You might, but not everyone decides to go that way. Some people can be very calm, some can quite upset and manic. It depends on the person. It depends on the manner. A lot of factors really.

Has anyone considered life insurance for the family? If you commit suicide then your family doesn't receive the claim. We should be looking at the captain of the plane. He slips the co-pilot a Xanax so he passes out, breathing and heartrate remain the same. Once he is sleeping the captain sets coordinates and "uses the restroom" he comes back to find the door "locked" and freaks out. He sacrifices himself to pay off debts that his family couldn't otherwise be payed. Eh?
a reply to: Anyafaj

originally posted by: safetymeeting
Has anyone considered life insurance for the family? If you commit suicide then your family doesn't receive the claim. We should be looking at the captain of the plane. He slips the co-pilot a Xanax so he passes out, breathing and heartrate remain the same. Once he is sleeping the captain sets coordinates and "uses the restroom" he comes back to find the door "locked" and freaks out. He sacrifices himself to pay off debts that his family couldn't otherwise be payed. Eh?
a reply to: Anyafaj

Did you even see the video? He cannot lock himself out of the cabin! The captain was physically LOCKED out of the cabin and unable to get in. He was BANGING on the door to get back in. Not to mention, autopilot had to be physically shut off, numerous buttons and dials had to be pressed to set the altitude, something that could not be done if the co-pilot was "roofied". Not buying it in the slightest.

It's called acting. I can pretend that I'm locked in an invisible box. How on earth can a human being keep a steady heart rate and breathing pattern with captain on his tail and earth at his 12 o'clock. No I didn't watch the video. So the coordinates were set while the captain was in the restroom? He couldn't have set altitude to 100 feet then left?
a reply to: Anyafaj

a reply to: safetymeeting

There is someone alive inside the cockpit telling the plane to descend and pressing a button that locks people out for 5 min twice during the 8 minute descent. The mic can only hear him breathing, not heartbeat. It hears him breathing while the other guy is beating on the other side of the door.

I know it's a lot but at least go read one MSM all-day report. Or read this thread.

I'm just exploring all possibilities. Investigative minds will do that. Of course I've been reading what MSM tells me but have they always been 100% right? Or told 100% truth? Everyone is so quick to accept what is being told but not me, every aspect has to be looked into. So my bad for putting a different theory out there lets just stick with what CNN tells us.
a reply to: FireflyStars

So earlier today they didn't have the Flight Data Recorder. But they know for certain that the autopilot was set to 100 feet, and that the door lock button was pressed twice during the descent.

And no one finds that odd?

Exactly the point I'm trying to get across dude. There's too many discrepancies that need to be dug into. New theories will be brought forward in the days and weeks.
a reply to: Zaphod58

a reply to: safetymeeting

The entire investigation reeks. They're releasing too much specific information too fast. After EgyptAir 990, it was weeks, if not months, before they even theorized it was suicide.

This one was declared suicide after one day.

No, not odd really. I get the sense that they're doing everything in their power to get information out to people as quickly as possible.

They couldn't anticipate what they were going to see/hear or what data survived. Lack of data would surely have prompted further investigation. We got lucky in this incident that the box was recovered at all and they were able to extract the data and produce an explanation.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
So earlier today they didn't have the Flight Data Recorder. But they know for certain that the autopilot was set to 100 feet, and that the door lock button was pressed twice during the descent.

And no one finds that odd?

I do find it odd, but if it's confirmed, it's scary and sad. Apparently they're saying this door was locked from inside the cockpit and prevented the pilot from re-entry. The black box apparently heard the pilot heard the pilot pounding on the door trying to get in, either punching in the code, or something, twice and twice being denied. If this is true Zaph, very scary. My guess most passengers were occupied napping, reading, etc..., and when they realized what was happening, that's when the screams were heard on the black box.

(The video I was referencing was not the black box, but the instructional video about the lock procedures for the cabin door on page 11 or 12.)

Most people simply do not get it that their generic method of psychological profiling -- i.e., a calm, polite, social, well liked person is safe and normal; while a reclusive, depressed, ill mannered or socially awkward loner should be labeled as a likely potential threat and avoided -- doesn't work.

Time after time -- after time after time after time! -- people reject and outcast those who fit the generic profile of someone best avoided, only to find out that they've made a terrible error in judgment with those whom they do, in fact, choose to trust and let close to them.

Until the bulk of society collectively comes to a point of accepting that commonplace methods of ascertaining the character of others is highly flawed, then I fear a real solution to the problem will not reveal itself.

a reply to: FireflyStars

Except the recorder they have records voices. So unless the pilot was narrating what he was doing it isn't going to tell you what altitude the autopilot was set to. Or that he was pressing the door override. They can only go by button clicks, which could be almost anything.

As of this morning the data recorder that would tell them all that information was still missing.

a reply to: Anyafaj

Yes, it would record him pounding on the door, but how are they getting specific data off a recorder that doesn't record that data?