Breaking: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

Suicide is the wrong word. This is murder and this man had a crazy sick agenda. Now we need to know if he's a lone loon or did he enter into a conspiracy to murder these people with others.

At this point I think this is domestic terrorism associated with his German nationality or it's flat out terrorism.

They have been combing through his home. cell phone records, social media, etc for the past 24-48 hours.

Sitting in front of the Golden Gate Bridge - good God.....

a reply to: Freenrgy2

He would have known for some time that he could be facing a furlough due to the rebranding of GermanWings. The Lufthansa CEO announced it back in January:

The Lufthansa Group announced in January 2015 that the Germanwings brand will be removed from public appearance and integrated into the rebranded Eurowings by autumn 2015. Germanwings will remain as an airline operating on behalf of Eurowings from then on.

Source: Wikipedia, citing Abendblatt

So GermanWings will merge into EuroWings and Lufthansa will integrate more of it's regional flights into the low-cost airline. How does this affect pilots? The long-time Lufthansa and GermanWings pilots will offered preferential positions due to seniority. Staff cuts are inevitable - Lubitz would be one of the first to go and he would have known it. The huge amount of debt he no doubt accumulated obtaining his commercial license combined with the worry of an impending furlough could have been the motivating factor.

Euro Wings has taken the first A320 from Lufthansa fleet assets. Thus, the development of the platform from which promises lower costs Lufthansa in European traffic starts.

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On the Lufthansa German Wings branch lines will gradually disappear, at least as a brand - Lufthansa unify old and new European routes off the hubs in Frankfurt and Munich to the brand "Euro Wings".

Source: Aero (dated 20th January 2015)

originally posted by: voided
He really was savouring the moment wasn't he? It's that classic "Soon the whole world will know my name" scenario

Who would want to remembered in that way?
Only jihadis-which this guy seems not to have been as far as we know.

I actually feel really sorry for the co pilots family-it must be as bad for them as those who lost their children,knowing that he was responsible for the deaths of all on board,and that he may well have done this on purpose.

How could you live with someone in your family doing that?

originally posted by: FlySolo
Something else just occurred to me. They said his breathing was normal. So when you're conscious, and only seconds away from impact, is your breathing normal? No increase in breath? No fear? Just normal, calm breathing? No way...something is really bad about this. Stinks. Surely, even a conscious, homicidal maniac would have an increased heart rate when just about to crash, with 150 other people. You can't breath normally if your heart rate is increased, it's impossible.

No fear. No change in breathing....I mean, your right. Every single human being in the world would not have stayed calm in such situation.

I know it's a far fetched conspiracy theory but I'm thinking mind control. Someone, something triggered the latent programming and boom, he acted like he was instructed to.

Who else was on that plane? Anyone important? Anyone with a new scientific discovery? An investor of unwanted technology? A politician that didn't follow the rules?

However not impossible, I don't believe it's a stroke or a heart attack, he was just too young, too thin...
I rule out suicide, people don't slowly decend in a plane with 150 passengers to commit suicide.

Mind control through hypnosis exists, there's no denying it. I'm bet it as something to do with the passengers...will we ever know?

a reply to: butcherguy

This is information that the Germans should definitely know.

Not sure what you mean but the information came from the mouth of the head of Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr in a video about what they have found.

Evidently the door is damn near impossible to get through. I think someone mentioned there is a fire axe on the plane in an earlier post, i don't think there is. Look, if the pilot of a plane wants to kill everyone they have a hell of a chance to do so. What gets me the most is everyone knowing whats going on and frantically trying to get in the door. Just awful.

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a reply to: Variable

Does someone want to put some links up to most relevant information in the past 12 hours? Just rejoining conversation and I seem to have missed a lot, as I'm sure others have too.

a reply to: FlySolo

Yeah, Manchurian Candidate came to mind as well.

a reply to: Fazza!

Don't quote me, but I think he lived at home. Affluent middle-class and one article said family worth half million Euros. I think his aviation debt wouldn't be a factor.

a reply to: Fazza!

And this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There's a shortage of pilots and he would have found another job.

a reply to: theMediator

is there anything available on the market or over the counter to induce the urge to pee? The captain leaving to whiz is crucial to an operation like this if this was an inside job.

a reply to: Variable

I think a plasma cutter would have worked.

Or stick another damn body in the cockpit if someone leaves.

mk uktra?

a reply to: FlySolo

Here's what I want to know, but most likely never will.

Lubitz requests control of aircraft
Pilot then leaves.

Why that order?

Or, did pilot mention he had to use the LAV, Lubitz then requested control and then the pilot left his chair.

If the request came first from Lubitz (why?) and then the pilot used the opportunity to excuse himself, then it makes it more likely that he picked this particular flight to carry out his "mission."

a reply to: MRuss

The link i put in the post above gives quite a few details and is a good start. CNN has a good run down here Link

That should get you up to speed. No idea what the Co pilot's motivations were - not that it matters to the dead i suppose.

From what I understand, in the US two people have to be in the cockpit at all times. That is apparently not so in Europe. Again another CNN link that gives good information Cockpit security.


V

a reply to: Freenrgy2

yeah, look at both mh370 and this one. What is the common denominator in both factors? There may be more than one too.

1. deliberate interference with flight operations
2. no response from pilots
3. gradual decent
4. No tell-tale signs from pilots
5. Not terrorism
6. only moments after take off
7. any more?

a reply to: Freenrgy2

Who knows why people do what they do? Sometimes it's impossible to understand motive.

Why did good looking, successful Ted Bundy kill? Because he was a psychopath--pure and simple. It's not always easy to spot a psycho, as we all know.

There are a lot of sick people in the world today. It's a reflection of our disenfranchised society---a microcosm of the macrocosm, a symptom of a materialistic and very lost society. There are things on the news I can barely tolerate watching: Just the other day a Dad killed his five-year old son in my city just to get his ex-wife back.

a reply to: MRuss

but psychopaths don't wake up psychopaths.

a reply to: Freenrgy2

I think a plasma cutter would have worked.

Or stick another damn body in the cockpit if someone leaves.

Yea, the CNN article i linked to above says the doors are made to withstand a grenade blast. You cannot beat them down with fists and kicks. In the US, two people have to be in the cockpit at all times. Not that a flight attendant could stop a man intent on killing everyone... but there is a chance. I think its a good rule. Someone from CNN just said that airlines in Europe will be working hard to make their rules like the US i.e two people in the cockpit at all times.

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a reply to: Variable

Here's what really strikes me about the latest developments:

Cheers to Germany for coming out with this as soon as it did. If it were the US, they would NEVER have admitted that it looks like the pilot deliberately crashed the plane. Too many secrets here. Too much diversion.

a reply to: FlySolo

There are medicinal water pills that do that, and various herbal preparations.