Leaked Draft of Iran Nuke Deal

a reply to: crazyewok

Your respect is neither expected nor required. In fact, playing the "war" card when it isn't even likely is what deserves zero respect.

Without nukes they'd be slobber-knocked in a fortnight.

Once again, where's your proof of Israeli ballistic missiles?? "Oh come on" just won't cut it.. an insult actually.

Nice try with the labels/name-calling. Further evidence of no real rebuts..

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP


MAD does not work with these religious nutjobs. They fully expect to get hit by nukes and that is alright with them. MAD is not a strategy to even contemplate with those who have no problem with the idea of getting hit by nukes.

So you expect me to support a bloody war based on what?

A Speech that is up for interpretation and the rantings of a known lair netanyahu?


Have you ever meet a Persian? I went to university with many. They are far from religious nut jobs.

They are a hell of a lot more secular than other ME country's. Even our supposed "allies".

The Persian people you have met are not the religious leadership of Iran nor do they represent them in the least bit, pretending they do is an outright falsehood.

originally posted by: nwtrucker


Without nukes they'd be slobber-knocked in a fortnight.

Yeah.......

Which explains why they would want them!

Cant you get it?

USA goes stomping aggressively round the world. so how can a country protect themselves from USA aggression? Well the only way they can are nukes. That or become the USA diplomatic bitches and basically sell there sovereignty.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Once again, where's your proof of Israeli ballistic missiles?? "Oh come on" just won't cut it.. an insult actually.

Jericho ballistic missiles

Better or would you rather a fox new source?

O and to add I was wrong......Its not a short or medium range ballistic missile ITS A GD ICBM!

a reply to: crazyewok

Nope, that source will suffice. I actually wasn't aware of the Jericho III. I stand corrected. (No wonder no one wants to mess with Israel...)

So, by your 'logic' the fact that Iran would be 'slobber-knocked' in two week without nukes is sufficient reason to allow them to develop them? Then, by extension, any other country as well?

You call Israel's nukes "illegal" yet defend Iran's development of them?

Unfreakingbelievable.

a reply to: Kapusta

Where are the ops for Hezbola?
ARE you seriously going to tell me HAMAS is an Isolated group.
LOOK at MINE, I created it.
It is at least an expression of ME and not some crackpot ideal,I parroted from popularist propaganda.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
So, by your 'logic' the fact that Iran would be 'slobber-knocked' in two week without nukes is sufficient reason to allow them to develop them? Then, by extension, any other country as well?

What I am saying is if the USA backed off its aggressive foreign policy many country may back down.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

You call Israel's nukes "illegal" yet defend Iran's development of them?

Unfreakingbelievable.

I have seen not much proof that Iran is developing them. Well not enough for me to want war.


Now if they do. Then yes they will be just as illegal as Israels. And India and Pakistan. And dont forget North Korea!

But we dont punish them so to punish Iran would be hypocritical unless you take action at the other 4.

Now if Israel, North Korea and India's and Pakistan are also forced to obey international law? Well then my attitude toward Iran having nukes would change.


I just see no reason to single out one particular country that is no threat to me when other country flout the same laws.

a reply to: crazyewok

Russia sure has shown US that haven't they?
You people will be able to photograph BEARS overhead soon...
"They say they'll stop at nothing...THERE FORE we'll do NOTHING and they'll stop."

Sound about right to YOU?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Kapusta

Where are the ops for Hezbola?
ARE you seriously going to tell me HAMAS is an Isolated group.
LOOK at MINE, I created it is at least an expression of ME and not some crackpot ideal,I parrotted from popularist propaganda.

What are you on about ?

Hezbola = Shi'a ( Iran) Hamas = Sunnie (Israel ) and Hamas being part of the Muslim brother hood . two very different groups ! with differing Ideology.

My point was that Iran has not bombed another country or invaded another country in what over 200 or 300 years .

Please don't try and bring up the Iraq ,Iran conflict because Iran went on the defense for that .



you can choose to bask in your Doom porn of "Iran ! boom boom!" hogwash or you can educate your self ! about the real situation ! savvy ?

a reply to: xuenchen

First things first; Iran claims it only wants to develop a domestic nuclear power programme.
I really can't see how any sovereign state has the right to dictate another sovereign states energy policy.
And surely bearing in mind the obvious environmental dangers that go with nuclear energy surely 'we' would be wiser to assist such a programme and ensure that all current safety regulations are met.

As for the development of weapons grade uranium; I'm not comfortable with ANY nation developing nuclear weapon capability - and that most definitely includes Israel and Pakistan!

Iran feels threatened by most of its neighbours - pretty similar to Israel.
They want to be able to defend themselves as best they can - surely Americans can understand this?

Israel continues to display an aggressive attitude towards many of its neighbours yet 'we' allow them to openly flout the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Pakistan also ignores the NPT.
And its 'rumoured' that Saudi Arabia has 'access' to nuclear weapons.
And everyone's ok with that?

Why?

Because they are 'our' allies?

Hypocrisy and double standards.

And lets get real.

Iran poses no real threat at all.
If they launched even one nuclear weapon then they would be wiped off the face of the earth without achieving any of their supposed goals.

And its worth bearing in mind that should such an agreement be signed it would have to be with the consent of the other 'nuclear nations' - UK, France, China and Russia.
Don't you think that ALL of those nations share exactly the same concerns as the USA?
They are ALL well aware of M.A.D. etc and neither China or Russia would hesitate for one second in obliterating Iran if they thought they threatened global stability etc.

To be honest I do understand people having certain reservations about this supposed treaty, but much of what I've read here seems to be fuelled by acute paranoia.

a reply to: Kapusta

OF course they run groups.
THEY wouldn't do a damn THING directly ,they would just LOSE a nuke to someone who would USE it.
THAT is what I am ON ABOUT.
Of course you may not be aware of how Iran runs those groups as the information is hidden in historic public knowledge.
I would NEVER say we didn't start this either ,we sure as hell DID with the placement of the SHAH and from then to now its a revenge circle.
I don't need mine to die because of it.
And I sure as hell won't agree to let them up THEIR ante because of some idiotic FAIRNESS philosophy.

a reply to: crazyewok

That's where we differ.

It's a lot tougher to take them away when a country has them. It is easier to stop a country from developing them.

If we don't stop it...AND NOW. You will get the war that none of us want.

Blame the U.S.? Who was on the front line in Egypt- both times- and Libya? The Brits.

Clean up your own house before dumping on the U.S.. The whole mess in the ME falls on you guys. We got stuck with YOUR mess to clean up. AND YOU KNOW IT...

a reply to: nwtrucker

We did our share in the 50s, we could have kept our noses OUT of ME politics but we set up a monster as a puppet.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: crazyewok

That's where we differ.

It's a lot tougher to take them away when a country has them. It is easier to stop a country from developing them.

If we don't stop it...AND NOW. You will get the war that none of us want.

Blame the U.S.? Who was on the front line in Egypt- both times- and Libya? The Brits.

Clean up your own house before dumping on the U.S.. The whole mess in the ME falls on you guys. We got stuck with YOUR mess to clean up. AND YOU KNOW IT...

And I see no concrete evidence that Iran even has nukes. Not enough for me to want to want to risk my life in a war

And unlike you I wont call for a war I wont fight myself,



As for the UK

I have spoken out in other threads against UK involvement in Iraq, Libya ect but its not the topic here?


As for the ME being our mess in the first place, go read a freaking history book.
It was a #ed up place long before England even exisited as a single country.

And the only reason its your mess now is you forced us out after WW2. We passed on a problem that was messec up begore even we got it.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

lets cut the BS !

US and Israel have been at Iran for YEARS !!!!!!!!

and your trying to make a Mountain out of mole hill ! clam down with that MSM scare tactic poop !

Nothing is going to happen with Iran ! unless the US or Israel decide to make it happen!

(let us hope not)

The point of "Leadership" or "ruling" is to hold onto it ! Now days to many people are paid into government's around the world to let anything serious happen .

Unless your Putin and you give two S!@#@ !

hahah

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: nwtrucker

We did our share in the 50s, we could have kept our noses OUT of ME politics but we set up a monster as a puppet.

every "puppet Monster " after Kennedy ! Yup ! we can agree on that !

herp derp !

a reply to: Kapusta

Not BS Iran RUNS terrorist clients.
THEY helped Arafat,Bieder Mienhoff and the list is HUGE.
INTEL reports aren't media based.
YOUR opinion however doesn't disprove a thing.

Here.
FAS put out this PDF on Iran's intel apparatis...fas.org...
YOUR evidence THEY do not ,will be GREATLY anticipated to observe...
Defeflection or derision in 3.2.1...

a reply to: Kapusta

Cherry picking so lame as well.
I just tell you what I know to be true.

Plus the other fact is Israel has a perfectly capable military.


If they want war so badly they can fight it themselves.

No need for the west to fight for them.

I don't see why Iran would get rid of anything with their neighbors threatening them with the same weapons. If a deal is to be made it should be made with the ones that want to impose the deal as well Israel and USA. Inspection and reductions there as well. Why would anyone take a one sided deal?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Kapusta

Not BS Iran RUNS terrorist clients.
THEY helped Arafat,Bieder Mienhoff and the list is HUGE.
INTEL reports aren't media based.
YOUR opinion however doesn't disprove a thing.

Here.
FAS put out this PDF on Iran's intel apparatis...fas.org...
YOUR evidence THEY do not ,will be GREATLY anticipated to observe...
Defeflection or derision in 3.2.1...

I am not Disagreeing with you here , Let's not call the kettle black !

Every country has dirty hands .

My disagreement was with your first post and your stance ,suggesting that Iran would Use a Nuke if they had it .

And then you went into some other off the wall $%^& trying to justify it .

Sorry I just don't believe Iran is in any way the Aggressor when it comes to Iran/Israel bs.