Occupotty: We can't pee

Clearly on most peoples thoughts its not ok to use a womans bathroom because you are more comfortable due to the fact you have a small penis but for the fact you dont want a penis why not? Really if you feel and decide your physical attributes dont define you whats the problem other than liars who will claim because they can wont change the fact.and it would be like saying a handicapped person cant use a urinal because they dont have legs even if they feel they could or should

It's baffling some folks on this site will question the govt's authority at every turn and then suddenly hold signs on bathroom doors as sacrosanct and believe tax dollars to enforce them and examine children's genitals is a proper appropriation of tax dollars.

a reply to: 5thNovember

Yeah that's what the article is about. That's the outrage. If you genuinely identified as a woman you absolutely should be able to use the women's restroom without someone asking for proof of a vagina.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
The amount of cognitive dissonance on this issue is overwhelming.

While I understand the complex nuances of individual identification and self-understanding, and have been through my own set of gender dysphoria and that entire phase of wondering if I was transgender or really wanted reassignment surgery as a life choice....I'm absolutely at a loss for words at how far reaching this issue has become.

Seriously. Am I the only one who sees public bathrooms with this symbol?

Hate to be harsh, but this is what happens when an entire generation is potty trained while taking selfies.

Did all these kids come straight out of the lab as teenagers?
Seriously?

I understand the need for recognition, believe you me, but my god...this issue is beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

Elementary Potty Training:

You have this? You go in this room. This is how you do it.
You have that? You go here. This is how you do it.

Simple.

As long as you have this or that you go here or there.

Oh but no....everyone has to take every thing personally and make it a big drama fest about civil liberties, equal rights, discrimination, gender issues and social bias because Mommy and Daddy are too busy working in order to provide them with a head up on life and unfortunately there's that nasty side effect of abandonment issues that come flooding forth.

I know this. I've been there myself. I got over it.

Props for being "socially conscious" and raising awareness, but there's a frickin' limit.

Suck it up kids - it builds character.

if you have this much trouble going to the freaking bathroom I'm seriously wondering what the hell you're ever going to contribute to the world at large besides an massive influx of anal retentive interior decorators, political advocates further clogging up the pipes of the political process, and even more annoying consumers making life hell for the rest of us because - oh my god - that pair of socks you wanted didn't come in the exact right color of blue with perfect pink polka dots and by god, let me speak to a manager!

Whatever it is, it sure ain't gonna be a cure for cancer.

Protip: Stay at home, use you own bathroom until you get over your personal issues, and order online socks from China.

You'll get over it.

i see the signs but i feel its based on a sexual aspect and the fact that its "sacred" to see the other sex nuditity is not ok so we avoide it being natural and run to the fsct its sexual and therefore tge mix is not ok... though iff raised to be natural and ok it wouldnt be the same this wouldnt be a problem

a reply to: Seeker Mom

Oh, sorry, I hadn't seen this until now. Trouble is that who would determine what the person "most looks like" in that case, and why would it be up to an outside source? That would still require an outside influence to enforce as opposed to the current system. Someone can be African American and Caucasian and appear strictly Caucasian, someone can appear male and be female, looks can be deceiving. So it's ultimately easier for folks to determine for themselves.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the crux of the argument is whether or not laws should be made to mandate that bathrooms are designated for penises here/vaginas there. Which, obviously wouldn't work practically... Kinda what the article's about. Did I botch the link or did nobody read the article in the OP?

Legislating common sense is ridiculous. The issue effects everyone because it's a frivolous law, the trans* movement has signal boosted this insanity because it impacts them most directly, but I figured anyone paying taxes could see that there shouldn't be any laws made about which public bathroom someone should use. Pretty crazy stuff. The social issue itself stands alone, the yet utter insanity of bathroom police should concern anyone. Really. Like... What other kinds of laws can the govt make if this is OK? We can barely enforce bike lanes...

I feel this thread wont get the attention it deserves snd people arnt taking it seriously as a fact of fighting for your freedom to be who you are because they cant see beyond who they are a person whos has a penis who whole hatredly wants to be a woman will bring up alot of distress if its a known fact sure but even if they want other women isnt true to their genitals they want a vagina so if they get one and look like a woman but want women the dif is a penis would you say a lesbian has to use themens restroom because they want women? The dif is whats betweens ones legs how can you allow that to overcome the rights of somebody who in alk points in their mind is not a man?

a reply to: twiztedjester

Human Sexuality is something much greater than a part of one's anatomy....but it's best to cover the fundamental basics of just getting used to physical incarnations and how to navigate the terrain before launching into the higher concepts of sexuality and all it's varied manifestations.

This is just going to the bathroom, it's not getting involved in a lifetime relationship with another person.

Just take things slow, relax, and one thing at a time.

The more you practice that simple mantra, the easier things become.
Slow and steady.

*hugs*

And i can ssy in a contradiction to myself yes i should know if you were once a man as a partner even if you have a vagina because im not ok with it if im with what you are a "female" if you were once a man if raised dif i believe my thouggts would be dif but thats one thing i wont change about myself but feel free to use the bathroom in im

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: twiztedjester

Human Sexuality is something much greater than a part of one's anatomy....but it's best to cover the fundamental basics of just getting used to physical incarnations and how to navigate the terrain before launching into the higher concepts of sexuality and all it's varied manifestations.

This is just going to the bathroom, it's not getting involved in a lifetime relationship with another person.

Just take things slow, relax, and one thing at a time.

The more you practice that simple mantra, the easier things become.
Slow and steady.

*hugs*

Lol i stated before i am lookin more at a point of the masses with my own opinion sexuality to me cant be summed up as a whole because it has way to many factors yet i can only speak on how its summed up

originally posted by: hearows
It's baffling some folks on this site will question the govt's authority at every turn and then suddenly hold signs on bathroom doors as sacrosanct and believe tax dollars to enforce them and examine children's genitals is a proper appropriation of tax dollars.

true the signs wouldent exist if sexuality didnt exist ss it dose we also more of us would only engage in sexual intercorse to pooulate it we didnt hide the body stating the only reason to want or see and have is sexual when really its just us our body not sexual

originally posted by: twiztedjester

originally posted by: hearows
It's baffling some folks on this site will question the govt's authority at every turn and then suddenly hold signs on bathroom doors as sacrosanct and believe tax dollars to enforce them and examine children's genitals is a proper appropriation of tax dollars.

true the signs wouldent exist if sexuality didnt exist ss it dose we also more of us would only engage in sexual intercorse to pooulate it we didnt hide the body stating the only reason to want or see and have is sexual when really its just us our body not sexual

wow sorry... true the signs wouldnt exist if sexuality didnt exist as it does also more of us would engage in sexual intercorse to populate if we didnt hide the body stating the only reason to want or see and have is sexual when its just us and our body which isnt sexual

a reply to: hearows

I'd like to apologize for not reading the link presented in the OP.

I spend so much time online as it is, and there are so many "media outlets" out there pumping loads of garbage into peoples heads that really doesn't need to be there. I admit I'm extra-sensitive to grassroots propaganda sometimes so I have to abstain for reasons of mental health.

I'm pretty sure the article went on a lengthy diatribe about how groups of people who differ from the Ken and Barbie standard are upset and making a fuss advocating for social change, and then this that or the other responded with outrageously rude and/or impossibly outrageous initiatives to counter the original groups protest, and how people are now outraged and offended by possible policy changes that will be invasive and dehumanizing....or some general thematic variation thereof.

If I'm wrong on this one, please feel free to correct me, and I'll give the link a glance.

My opinion?

We don't need any more invasive and petty laws that violate human sanctity - in any form, but there's always some free-radical waiting out there jumping and itching for the chance to spoil it all for the rest of us with some wild opinion, personal story of subjective perspective all in the name of 15 minutes of fame or a shot at the history books.

Conversely, some people need to live and let live, grow up, stop being so damn dramatic about something as simple as freaking bathroom assignments and quit trying to micromanage every little personal aspect of themselves in the macrocosm.

Just make a third gender-nondescript public bathroom.

Problem solved, no ones rights are violated, we don't have to fight and nitpick about details and over-complicate a rather simple issue.

But no....I'm sure there's a social advocate out there who isn't happy unless it's THEIR way....they'll keep poking and poking the system until those in power finally flip their proverbial biscuit and start laying down the hard-line laws. And then they'll complain about the laws, and then the whole cycle starts up again and gets meaner and meaner and more tightly controlled.

It's a never ending battle....some people thrive on that type of thing and love complaining when they lose. It provides some sort of bragging rights or something, and gives them something to complain about while kicking back at the bar after work.

Seriously.
It's a freaking madhouse.

A couple poorly thought out rhetorical options, and then a little more rhetoric:

1. Don't dictate who uses what bathroom based on gender OR sex, but rather history of diseases. (...which I understand would violate privacy, but like liberty or privacy for security, you gotta give up something to get something, right?)

2. Abolish bathrooms altogether. In plain view, there should be stalls with toilets, and stalls with urinals, and stalls with sinks (for doing your "business" because we shouldn't be indoctrinated to just use toilets or urinals), and stalls with no doors (because did you know some people feel more comfortable doing doodie with the door open), and stalls for etc. I would say different bathrooms for all of these, but you know, something bad could happen. If it's in the open, it's less likely to happen, right? Also, some sinks should be out in the open, so we can see who washes their hands or not.

I, PERSONALLY, don't care who uses which. It doesn't bother me, but I CAN understand some people's unease with that which they don't like, or agree with, or understand. I "FEEL" (That's like an all-inclusive disclaimer these days, right?) that this is one of those times when it's like, "Accept everybody for who they are... Except when I don't like it."

originally posted by: 5thNovember
a reply to: hearows

Show me where in the constitution is states third or whatever number gender they qualify themselves as?

The words "people" and "citizens" are ALL throughout the Constitution! What are you talking about??? Are you suggesting that trans people don't or shouldn't have rights?

I'd like to suggest that you and all the people who starred you should take a class on the Constitution and civil rights... But I'd be wasting my breath.

originally posted by: 5thNovember
a reply to: hearows

Show me where in the constitution is states third or whatever number gender they qualify themselves as? This wasn't an issue until people got upset about seeing a man in the women's restroom I believe south park even debunked this as a cry from people who feel isolated by their own doing. These social outcast need to suck it up and use their Wang in a urinal like normal men with penises do. Don't wanna stand up theres a stalk right behind you. Don't like being judged for being A man dress to the 9's like a woman and still have a Penis between your legs go to the men's room get over yourselves.

Stupidest thing said, completely inconclusive to the topic, asking for citation in the constitution where it isn't warranted, and all conveyed with the literary skills of a small child.

Most upvotes.

'Murica.

"South park debunked this". LMFAO.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Got there before me. At least I have someone on the same page.

How could you possibly upvote something so plainly fallacious?

There's not a single line of merit in that post.

People are legally required to go to the washroom to urinate or defecate, these people are posed an issue with that rule, but it's a non-issue because "their gender isn't in the constitution"?

It must be nice to live such a privileged life that one wouldn't know what it's like to be on the outside of the norm by no fault of their own, better keep blaming that victim.

Small government should tell us who can pee and poo where and control who does, I suppose.

So basically so that you can pee, I can't?

I have enough trouble sharing a bathroom with other women, now you want me to share it with men too?

Why do we even bother having two restrooms at all?

a reply to: ketsuko

Restrooms aren't there so that you can urinate/defecate, they are there so we can control gender/sex standards.

Because small government.