Rumor: Putin Has Been Neutralized by a "Stealthy Coup" - Opening Post Updated 9x - Putin Found

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: voiceofthecielago

And Igor Kolomoisky is financing battalion aidar. Thats a fact

Interesting. Are you taking back your claim that he funds the Azov Battalion? Wasn't that at the heart of your "Jews are really behind the Nazis" screed? You are welcome to post your Nazi pornography here, but please try to be civil about it. Also, if you make an incendiary claim like "Kolomoisky is funding the Azov Brigade," you had better be prepared to provide a solid source for it.

The fact of the matter is the neo-Nazis are flocking to the aid of the Donetsk Norodny. I don't need to explain what that word means to you, I suspect, but for the benefit of the English speakers here, norodny, which is usually translated "people,"does not mean "people" in the democratic sense of "We, the people." It is the Slavic equivalent of the German das Volk, with the same nationalistic trappings of common language, common culture, common religion and common race. The Donetsk "People's" Republic is intended to be the home of certain types of people. The Azov Battalion is not the only group with genocidal tendencies. The Russian Nazis have their plans, too.

Now, please stop posting this rubbish on this thread. It is completely off-topic and I don't want to see it deleted for violating T&C. Start a thread of your own or join one of the existing threads discussing neo-Nazis in Europe.

DJW001, please if you have a concern, let the mods make the decision. That is what they are here for.

In between not feeling well I have been thinking about the rumored coup attempt against Putin. While I don't think the following occurred I thought that I would throw it out for discussion. The coup plotters may have wanted to arrest Putin peacefully and place him on trial. The idea suffers in that Putin henchmen were left alone meaning that his instruments of power were left in place. Would anybody have been naive enough to try and remove the Putin regime in a non violent fashion?

I find it interesting that people think China and Russia are really any threat to the world militarily and in economics. US/UK has the best military and also runs the best satellite systems tied into running the world. If you think Russia and China could even come close to taking over the economic system, you should listen to Catherin Austin Fitts explain how this will not happen anytime soon.



I think it's entirely possible that Putin is already bottled up. They've lost 50% of the value of the Rubble in the drop of oil prices in the last couple years…50%! If the economic powers want him to dance a different tune, they will get their way. Maybe he was hiding out, or maybe not, but the US/UK will get their way because of the infrastructure and power they hold.

The budding Russian and Chinese alternate to SWIFT is so small as not to be a challenge anytime soon. I'm not too concerned about Putin.

I am well versed with Photoshop and it doesn't look like a different head. His neck has "disappeared" because the new photo has his face at a straight-on angle to the camera. There are a lot of other things to consider in photos like this - multiple photogs could mean multiple flash origins, maybe some minor photo shopping was done and it set off your Spidey senses, etc.

Grab a camera and do a "spray and pray", which is just what you imagine, multiple (hundreds) photos of the same object. Now use a human being that is in motion and you'll see how different their face can look.

He also sits a bit hunched over (like a vulture) and that contributes to the missing neck/bigger head.

The mic has probably barely moved since he took office. Why would it move when the same person is sitting there? I'm sure if it was moved he'd simply have jerked it into a similar position as before since he remains the same height.

If anything he was sick and has since discovered the joys of using makeup for public appearances. Which is hilarious in its own right, considering his obsession with all things macho.

originally posted by: xpert11
In between not feeling well I have been thinking about the rumored coup attempt against Putin. While I don't think the following occurred I thought that I would throw it out for discussion. The coup plotters may have wanted to arrest Putin peacefully and place him on trial. The idea suffers in that Putin henchmen were left alone meaning that his instruments of power were left in place. Would anybody have been naive enough to try and remove the Putin regime in a non violent fashion?

Maybe a failed coup did occur. Is it in Putin's best interest to publicize a coup attempt against him? It would fly in the face of the lies / false narrative that's been created about Putin and would question the popularity polls.

Lets see if we stop hearing from advisors / oligarchs / shift in military command structure.

a reply to: thepixelpusher

China's advance is based on industrial and military espionage coupled with a system of requiring foreign business to team up with a Chinese business in order to do business in China. If you look you will see foreign business footing the bill to create the infrastructure needed to do business, followed by an increase in difficulties working with the national and regional governments, eventually leading to the foreign business closing down and leaving.

The Chinese business part then picks up and moves on.

We will see the same with Russia the longer the sanctions are in place considering Russia does not have the tech to do deep oil extraction on their own. Since that sector is now a part of the sanctions......


Russia and China, when they do their sharks and jets routine, are a danger. Simply ignoring them is not a fix and if anything, is even more dangerous than confronting them. We already see Russia using threats of its nuclear arsenal in order to browbeat countries into doing what Russia demands. China is doing the same with its increase in its navy and fleet air arm.

Havent been to ATS in awhile but this particular subject brought me back.

I have been watching the Russian Federation and Putin since last year much more. And this ties in albiet not fully substantiated yet.

Last December Google pulled out of Russia and this month General Motors pulled out. Big American companies distancing themselves.


(Sorry if this was already posted. Havent read the whole threads yet)

originally posted by: Xcathdra


Maybe a failed coup did occur. Is it in Putin's best interest to publicize a coup attempt against him? It would fly in the face of the lies / false narrative that's been created about Putin and would question the popularity polls.

Nicely put. In the absence of any body bags or a internal capitulation strike this strikes me as being very reasonable.

Lets see if we stop hearing from advisors / oligarchs / shift in military command structure.

What kind of shift do you think we would see in this area? Would a successful coup see Russia withdraw from the Ukraine?

originally posted by: smirkley
Havent been to ATS in awhile but this particular subject brought me back.

Welcome Back.

I have been watching the Russian Federation and Putin since last year much more. And this ties in albiet not fully substantiated yet.

Could you expand on this more?

Last December Google pulled out of Russia and this month General Motors pulled out. Big American companies distancing themselves.

This strikes me as a behavioral norm of a country gearing up for war.

Just read this and thought the wording was pretty interesting:
SpiegelOnline

Saint Petersburg - The NPD politician Udo Voigt has been campaigning at an event in St. Petersburg for President Vladimir Putin. The " Russian conservatives Forum" is said the former president of the NPD opposed the sanctions which Russia was occupied.

1. still in St.Petersburg
2. an event for Putin, instead of with.
So besides the meeting with the Kyrgyzian president, which may, or may not have happened, we still got nothing new.
Well okay and this link

He partied in Moscow and now is apparently back in St.Petersburg.
Still feels a bit odd, since he went missing, just one short visit in the capital and he crawls back to his hometown?

originally posted by: xpert11


What kind of shift do you think we would see in this area? Would a successful coup see Russia withdraw from the Ukraine?

It would depend on who takes over and where that persons loyalty lies.

If a coup occurs it can be assumed the people behind it are not very loyal to Putin. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess. You run into the issues of Crimea and how the Russian people feel about Putin (assuming the polls are accurate).

To push away from Putin's course of action and to get the people on board they would have to expose Putin to the Russian people in terms of his lies about what's been going on. The flip side would be if Putin is removed during a "coup", resulting in his permanent early retirement to the netherworlds, they could argue Putin was killed by intelligence services from the West in order to go full Stalin 2.0, finishing Ukraine and then pushing west.

The 3 groups pulling Putin in all directions are the -
* - Military
* - Oligarchs
* - FSB / Intelligence

If those 3 are not supportive of a coup then you would most likely see those groups positioning themselves to undermine / remove the other groups resulting in success or possible civil war.

originally posted by: xpert11

originally posted by: smirkley
Havent been to ATS in awhile but this particular subject brought me back.

Welcome Back.

I have been watching the Russian Federation and Putin since last year much more. And this ties in albiet not fully substantiated yet.

Could you expand on this more?

Last December Google pulled out of Russia and this month General Motors pulled out. Big American companies distancing themselves.

This strikes me as a behavioral norm of a country gearing up for war.

Thank you.

Yes I am a financial news junkie. Plus a few other subjects. And I was very surprised by Googles announcement. Even though google suggests that the Russian internet lanscape has gone dangerous. Censorship and stuff. Even though the Russian market is huge and they have some great software engineers.

Chevy just suggested they are not making money with Opel, their Russian counterpart.


Both could very well be true.

But when you couple this with all other recent events, it infers that corporate America knows something.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I will have a crack at replying to your excellent post. The people behind the coup would have to show to the Russian people just how false Russian propaganda surrounding the Ukraine really is. If we don't see Russian propaganda exposed and a withdrawal from the Ukraine takes place in the next 3 - 6 months the anti Putin forces will have been successful.

The Russian military will be backing Putin because he restoring lost pride after the dark days of the 1990's where a lack of money saw the Russian military a fraction of its old self. The Russian intel community would be about the same. The industrialists who form the Oligarch will be in a position to profit from Russian rearmament and later on wartime production. If Russia withdrew from the Ukraine they would also lose a cheap source of labour to the EU. The Russians need skilled and manual labour in order to unlock the vast untapped natural resources in Siberia.

On the other hand assuming for a moment the pundits aren't complete fools which I think they are and the sanctions are bringing down the Putin regime a whole new can of worms is opened. A civil war in Russia would leave the country nuclear weapons stock pile up for grabs . Who knows what kind of madman would emerge as the victor from the conflict. Either Russia is plunged into a Civil War or another European war breaks out.

a reply to: smirkley

Very interesting . My take is that the Putin regime is ensuring they have control over the flow of propaganda to the Russian people and the naive westerners who buy into it. Even in an authoritarian culture like Russia a great deal of propaganda is required before parents will be willing to send their sons off to war. Putin ideology is the same as Hitler's he has just replaced the west for the Jews.

And I remind myself that if there is something to be known, google already knows it or can accurately extrapolate it.

(and yes, I am serious)

a reply to: smirkley

Stranger things have happened... We new something was up during the 1st gulf war by the number of pizza deliveries made to government offices.

and now we have Putin dismissing 2 senior members of his government.



Speculation of Kremlin Turf Wars Continue as Putin Fires Two Senior Officials

So do we have a 100 percent time stamped photo or video of Putin within the timeframe of his " arrival" back on scene ? Do we have verified proof Putin is still in control and at the head of Russia? All I see is words words words .

originally posted by: dntwastetime
So do we have a 100 percent time stamped photo or video of Putin within the timeframe of his " arrival" back on scene ? Do we have verified proof Putin is still in control and at the head of Russia? All I see is words words words .

Yes...

Ok ,time stamped footage, verified. I was beginning to wonder about this very issue. You never know when "Official statements" can be disguised in order to gain the advantage of time and surprise. You never know in this World.